Hi, If you look at the link Paul quotes below, there is a model (GLV5) that costs $99 in quantities of 6 or more. Find 5 other people wanting one, and off you go! DeHarpporte Trading Company (www.laserpointer.net) I have one of these and it is as bright as the more expensive models. This is the way to go if you don't want to dish out the $235 some sites are asking for. I do not find the light offensive. On a dark spot on an average Gilbert street with street lights, I have trouble seeing the beam if I stretch my arm out full extension. At dark sites like Vekohl, 15 ft is a fair estimate. In actual usage, they are great for pointing out an area that you are looking at - 30 seconds of usage at a time? The lasers do not like to be left on, so even if someone were to use it on their scope, I doubt the light output would be any worse than some of the brighter red lights that show up here and there. Having said that, I don't know how effective they would be at a public star party at well lit places like scottsdale CC. You would have to work with a small group of ~5 at a time. However, when used at a dark site public star party like GCSP, I think they would be more effective. Anyway, this is a precursor to the days when we will all have telescopes with adaptic optics and our own laser reference beams! Tom -- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. See this message's header if you want info about unsubscribing or the list's archive. This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.