Paul You missed my audience definition. Maybe it wasn't clear. A training laboratory or a home computer have different demands from a corporate workplace. Your conclusion is valid for corporate workplaces only. My task here is to identify an idiot proof system with a 5-10 year life expectancy (which is how long our books last), that suits teachers in government and private organisations, with on-site and off-site students, of varying levels of innate brain power and prior computer knowledge. Their needs are different from those of Shell or BHP. Working from home, I save to my hard disk, do a synchronised backup to one of two external disks (the second lives in my car and gets swapped with the attached drive whenever I remember) and I have a second synchronised backup to on-line storage. But "normal folks" don't much care about all this. They store their photos on-line, and backup their music however their particular music program tells them to back it up. They keep their keys and logins for software they have bought off the web so they can download again at will, but mostly they use free stuff. And when they lose the lot, they accept that computers are the much hated and misunderstood love of their lives, and start again. Their world is quite different from ours, and at the moment it is moving very fast. Christine From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Brice Sent: Monday, 22 September 2008 5:39 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: File paths You should never save anything to a local hard drive - not if you value it at all. Most workplaces provide network storage and with external hard drives of gargantuan capacity costing microscopic dollars, there's no reason to entrust anything to a local drive. Anyone who's suffered a Windows breakage or complete hard drive failure will know what a drama data loss can be. At the very least you should back up to an external source. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Kathy Bowman <Kathy.Bowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I must have been dreaming I was at home... I use My Documents on my home PC, but at work I always use folders on a network drive, because they are backed up and secure. Kath _____ From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Trussler Sent: Monday, 22 September 2008 2:49 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: File paths Dear Dinosaur, I too, am finding the new world order a bit strange at times. In the Government workplaces, My Documents is frowned upon. This is because it is on the C drive and therefore . not backed up, . if the PC crashes all is lost. . it is not considered secure. Users there must store their documents in the network on either a personal drive or in the shared drive for their project or team. Do your baby dinos realise that they can make (or create if they are gods) lots of sub-folders under My Documents, so that they have more than just My Music and My Pictures. Bob Trusslersaur 2008/9/22 Christine Kent <christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Guys Another seemingly odd question relating to the new world order of Microsoft as it relates to base entry level computer users and how they work with files. This time, file structure. As old timers, we create our own files structures under c:\ - or at least I do. As corporate workers, we create files structures according to some corporate specification on some network drive or other, or in some DMS. But for the computer sub-literate, the Windows XP world of folders starts with Documents and Settings, My Documents, and the Vista world of folders starts with Users, Documents etc. They happily access these from the Start Menu, ever using a window called Windows Explorer. The real world - that is, users of home computers and people training in or being trained by our low level education system - only understand/s My Documents or Users. They have no idea they can pick a location on C:\ drive, or that these mythical User or Documents structures are actually on C:\ drive somewhere. They feel clever if they learn to put a folder under My Documents. My overlapping questions. Are techos in corporate starting to use the Microsoft system to define user profiles? Is the world generally adapting to the Microsoft virtual view of their virtual universe? Are you using Documents on your home computer? Are your kids using Documents on their home or school computers? Up until now I have always taught people to use C:\ drive. Am I being a dinosaur? Christine -- Bob Trussler Phone 0418 661 462