This message was posted by KNC Designs on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/1021.html#000001 I usually measure the distance between the edge of the visor and the edge of the holding fixture on both sides of the hat or visor. My measurement usually is around .125 on both sides. Run a trace and then remeasure while on the machine if it has moved it is not clamped tight enough or if using a hat it is becuase the design is to tall and it pulls the hat out of the hoop. Hope this makes sense Curtis =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================