Veena, sounds like you are doing all the right stuff! I'm tempted to blame it on the shirt-5 oz. is pretty lightweight and isn't going to be a big help.... when we increase the MT, we watch the thread up in the middle of the thread path-where the arm is going up and down as it pulls through-when the thread is really 'flapping' in the breeze we know it is too loose-either worn roller or MT is too high. So we have to adjust it down a notch. A lot of times we wish you could set it to "7.5 or 8.75" or a fraction....sometimes one point up is too loose and one point down is too tight...need that happy medium in there. Good luck-you may just have that dreaded 'shirt material from hell' that isn't going to be easy to do at all....I have a case of those 'beanie' knitted hats that just won't co operate! Roland From: "Iris Embroidery" <irisembroidery@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Iris Embroidery Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:04:40 -0800 To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [amayausers] Re: bobbin thread sliding to the left. Ed, Roland, Thanks for all the help and the wealth you are feeding me everyday. I started with a fresh new bobbin case for this test. I do check under the flap and use a business card to get the gunk out everytime I replace with a new bobbin. Before threading the bobbin in the pig tail, I do my bobbin test where you have to bob the bobbin for it to drop down. Make sure that is OK and then pass it in the pig tail. I also checked the rollers to see that they do not have marks. Blow out everything from underneath the bobbin, wipe it, make sure the needle sits in the middle of the bobbin plate hole etc., When the bobbin is tight, I do increase the MT but I was told by a tech that you should not unnecessarily increase it since it will feed too much. About Selsun Blue, Can I use it for my dandruff shirts, May be I should give it a try since it can eliminate it on your scalp, probably be able to do it on a shirt too. I have some time today and will test and planning to talk to the melco tech. Best Regards, Veena Viswanath Iris Embroidery www.IrisEmbroidery.com <http://www.IrisEmbroidery.com> (510)-226-6171 From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed Orantes Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:08 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: bobbin thread sliding to the left. Say Veena, What type of bobbin are you using? Do you happen to have any other brand or type of bobbins available to try? Ed -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Iris Embroidery Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:05 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: bobbin thread sliding to the left. Hello All, Here are the results of my test regarding the bobbin thread one sided and hence causing dandruff on the top. Test 1: Started off with a new bobbin case, bobbin spool(NEB plastic sided white), woven shirt, 1 cutaway sewn on royal colored cloth. No difference. I was able to see the dandruff consistently on the top. This was lettering of 0.5² letter ht. 120% column width, monotype corsiva, 100% column width. Tension of the bobbin was normal with the drop . Test 2: I then copied a part of the digitized design (sewn before without problems). Same results with the bobbin thread showing on the top. Tension normal. Test 3: I ran the same digitized design with a tighter bobbin. It caused a thread break and I increased the MT from 3 to 4. Sew without thread breaks for the rest. Not as much dandruff, but the bobbin thread was one sided. I really do not care how wide the bobbin shows on the bottom, but do care when it shows on the top consistently even if it is a few places. I can look at it and say that something is not right. I know for sure that my machine needs a checkup to fix this problem. Thanks for all your help. Veena Iris Embroidery www.IrisEmbroidery.com <http://www.IrisEmbroidery.com> (510)-226-6171 From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed Orantes Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:35 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: bobbin thread sliding to the left. Iris, True, your bobbin column, however thick or thin should be centered down the column on the backside of the fabric. If the bobbin column is shifted to one side of the column, something may not be right. Without getting into something complicated like machine timing, let consider something simple like your bobbin case. I have seen bobbin cases that were bent and causing the bobbin spool to rub as it rotated inside of the bobbin case. I've also seen where one specific bobbin spool was not shaped correctly and had a "high spot" which would rub on the inside of the bobbin case inconsistently. I have met a good number of folks that did not truly understand the benefits of "Consistent Bobbin Tension" and the causes of inconsistent tension to look for. When sewing smaller column widths, as opposed to larger widths, your tolerances are much tighter giving a greater opportunity for bobbin to show on the surface. One quick way to check if this is the problem is to change to a new bobbin case with a new bobbin installed set with the proper tension. If a new bobbin case solves your problem we could then go into trouble shooting your original case to see what needs correcting. As for the 30,30,30 concept,... that is preferred or "balanced" as some say. Realistically, you could have a wide bobbin or a narrow bobbin as long as the front side of the embroidery looks good, is not too tight and not too loose. I use the analogy of driving a car down the highway. You are supposed to drive down the center of the lane. However you could drive to the left side of the lane or the right side of the lane and even all over the lane. Just as long as you don't go off the lane, you can still make it to the grocery store as intended. Quite possibly a little sick from the swerving and with a bunch of reckless driving tickets. My point is that you can try to get your bobbin perfectly centered every time but it's okay if your bobbin width varies a little. Of course if your bobbin width is too wide, then you will see bobbin showing itself on the front side of the garment and that is unacceptable. Try a new/clean bobbin case and let us know how it goes. Ed -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Iris Embroidery Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:48 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: bobbin thread sliding to the left. Yeah!. My mistake with the nos. It is 30,30,30. But the columns that I am sewing are 7pt, 9 pt , 18 pt being the highest in this one. It consistently seems to slide to one side, causing bobbin thread to show up on the front. I am ok with tightening the bobbin thread a little, but tightening it so tight that it does not drop is completely against what I have learnt and applied so far. MT being 7 for a easy care shirt, it frightens me since I worry it will cause holes or so in the garment. Best Regards, Veena Viswanath Iris Embroidery www.IrisEmbroidery.com <http://www.IrisEmbroidery.com> (510)-226-6171 From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Wargo Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:46 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: bobbin thread sliding to the left. For as long as I have been doing embroidery it has been 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. For narrow satin stitches (columns of 3mm or less) you may want to run a little tighter bobbin tension, showing less than 1/3 on the back. Mike Wargo irisembroidery@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Hello All, I wanted to check with you to see if anyone has the same problem as me. When I do small lettering, my bobbin thread seems to slide off to the left. (In class we learnt, it should be 30,60,30 with the bobbin thread in the middle.) This some times causes the bobbin thread to show up on the front of the design causing dandruff. The tech checked it and said everything looks fine with regards to the bobbin positioning and so on. But every time I do small lettering, I see the dandruff. I was sewing out the easy care shirt maroon color and the white thread showed up so clearly. The tech suggested that I tighten the bobbin completely and increase the material thickness to counter that and it would solve the problem. (For a easy care shirt, the MT was 7). To me, this was not a solution, but a work around. Do any of you have this problem? How did you solve it or do you just live with it. I would be interested to hear what you all have to say. Best Regards, Veena Viswanath IrisEmbroidery www.IrisEmbroidery.com <http://www.IrisEmbroidery.com> (510)-226-6171