This message was posted by KNC Designs on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/384.html#000001 Which visors are you using? I use Otto visors and have no problems hooping on the WACF, they are made just like the hats.I have heard that some visors are made with the sweatband sewn in and cannot be turned down. I use tape on the bill to measure between the seams,find the center line it up with the laser pointer and let it go.Just remember the design is low and wide. Curtis =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================