This message was posted by HERB on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/174.html#000001 I have always done my visors on the WACF. I did find that when the design is centered in DS and loaded into the OS with the hoop centered I would exceed the hoop limits before I get the sewing area on the visor. (Does this make sense?) I had to bring the design down in DS so I had enough travel to get it on the visor. Other than that I treat then prety much like a cap. Design should be bottom up/center out. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================