[amayausers] Re: Uncoated Hooks- 2005 Design Shop and OS
- From: Peter Strike <strikesystems@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:11:11 -0800 (PST)
Much thanks to Ed and Lora... Ed, I'm going to get out the manual and
carefully go through this post. I've been "Step"-ing through the
procedures and adding oil on startup if the machine has sat a day or
more without work... but going forward I'll do it each day/night of
sewing. My timers are on and are working... I just did the 4,000,000
stitch on the WACF timer. I've also recently done (i think it's the
2,000,000) where inspected and changed a few of the thread rollers and
she's running much better. I've done the needlebar drops.
As for the exact location under the needle plate, I've got to look at
the book and make sure I know the exact terms your referring to, to
pinpoint that location of the drop. I'll let you know if I need
anymore clarifications...
Thanks for the detailed response,
Peter Strike
Indianapolis, IN
--- "E. Orantes" <e3m@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Peter,
> Let me first say this: If you are new to the Amaya and possibly
> embroidery
> machines in general, cover yourself (at least during the warranty
> period) by
> following the maintenance procedures as instructed until you feel
> comfortable with where and when the machine should get lubed. Oil
> and
> grease to the machine is like the blood to your body. Without it,
> you ain't
> doing nothing tonight. Just be sure you understand the maintenance
> procedures correctly and that they are in fact turned on. In the
> timers tab
> under "settings". You'll see a check mark to disable or enable the
> timers
> feature. CAUTION: If you unclick this and re-click this check mark,
> you
> will reset all of your timers and you won't remember who or what
> should get
> oil or grease soon. You'll have to wait for one more timer interval
> until
> you are reminded again. That is unless you choose to "STEP" through
> the
> maintenance procedure at that time. I visited one customer who,
> using the
> photos in the maintenance procedures, was applying an adequate amount
> of
> grease all around the side of the take up lever cam and not all
> around the
> back of the take up lever cam where it was supposed to go because
> that's
> what the arrow in the picture looked like it was pointing too. When
> I
> showed him the correct way, it all made sense to him. Melco has
> since
> changed that picture in the maintenance procedure.
>
> Back to the subject... Why would Melco give anyone the opportunity
> to
> disable the timers when they are such a great feature??? Well,
> although I
> don't disable mine, I would like to disable some of them because I am
> so
> in-tune with my machines, I check them periodically whether they need
> it or
> not. If I feel like it needs oil or grease, I deliver. If I know I
> greased
> an area not too long ago and I still see signs of adequate grease, I
> don't
> add any more.
> This is not going to be the case for everybody. I've made a career
> out of
> electronics and mechanics since I was eighteen and am a 3rd party
> tech for
> Melco and Barudan now. Remember the story of the lady who hadn't
> oiled her
> rotary hook for over two weeks because the timers hadn't reminded her
> to do
> so. And she was running her Amaya every day. Somehow her timers had
> gotten
> disabled. She was okay but will eventually have to replace that
> rotary hook
> sooner than most.
> The worst thing that could happen if you put too much oil in the
> rotary
> hook or oil it too frequently is the chance of getting oil on the
> garment
> your sewing. (It drives me bonkers to hear people actually squirt
> WD40 all
> around the rotary hook area.) I've had people say, how does the oil
> from
> the hook way down there get way up here to the fabric? The upper
> thread
> actually passes around the rotary hook over and over again before it
> gets
> stitched into the garment. The thread absorbs excess oil and
> transfers it
> to the fabric with every needle penetration and of course after the
> thread
> lays down on the garment in the design.
> Personally I don't step through all the maintenance procedures. Too
> time
> consuming for me. Others I do because it moves the machine where I
> want it
> to. At the beginning of every day, and sometimes in the afternoon, I
> put a
> drop of oil in the rotary hook's oiling point, however it is not in
> the
> oiling point position. What that means is it's a little tricky and
> hard to
> see in a dark room but very much faster than clicking through the
> procedure.
> From the front of the machine, when it's idle (or at head up), just
> under
> the needle plate and above the retaining finger, I insert my oiling
> needle
> (tip of bottle) just above the rotary hook's oiling point and with a
> steady
> hand, drop one drop of oil. If I suspect I dropped two or more
> (ooops) I
> always to a quick sew out of about 1 or 2 thousand stitches to absorb
> any
> excess oil on a couple of scrap pieces of backing. If I don't see
> signs of
> oil on the white backing, then I reset the design and start over with
> the
> real garment. But you should do this every time you oil your needle
> case or
> over oil the rotary hook just for good measure. The first time you
> get oil
> on something, you'll do this every time after.
> I believe Dana from the list says she oils her hook every two hours
> and/or
> sooner depending on the rattling sound the hook makes when it's dry.
> If you
> don't oil it enough, it will wear faster. If it wears faster, you
> will
> experience more and more thread breaks. Or as I call them, "thread
> tears"-
> commonly torn by the rotary hook. A "thread break" to me is when the
> thread
> is stretched to a point at which it breaks. It is said that the
> Rotary Hook
> is a consumable part and on average, might need replacing about every
> two
> years. If you oil it regularly and aren't having any thread break
> issues on
> just about every thing you sew, then don't replace it.
> One way to check it is to grab the bobbin shaft or post and push and
> pull a
> little bit to see how much play there is. It helps to have a new
> rotary hook
> in hand to compare to. The more play there is the more worn it is.
> Some
> people go ten years before replacing the hook, others have had to
> replace
> the hook after the first thirty days (with respect to lack of oil and
> wear).
> Geeze, I'm long winded. Sorry.
> Good luck to ya'.
> Ed
>
> Ed & Maralien Orantes
> E.M. Broidery
> 900 Terry Parkway, Ste. 200
> New Orleans, La. 70056
> 504-EMBROID ery (504-362-7643)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Strike
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:07 AM
> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Uncoated Hooks- 2005 Design Shop and OS
>
>
> Ed, quick question on your 1 drop of oil daily... does that mean you
> go
> into the maintenence section and click on the 200, 000 timer each
> day,
> follow the procedure /move it in to proper oiling position and then
> add
> the oil. Or do you place a drop of oil in the same place (without
> going through the procedure), and then only go through the procedure
> when the 200,000 stitch timer comes on? (the latter could be a big
> no-no, I'm not actually doing that now, just curious)
>
> I'm new to this and want to make sure you mean to go through the
> complete 200,000 procedure each day etc., or is a drop in the same
> spot
> good enough to keep her properly lubed?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter Strike
> Indianapolis, IN
>
> --- "E. Orantes" <e3m@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Don't worry about the fast rotations after oiling the hook as
> opposed
> > to the
> > three slower rotations on the older machines. It's just a
> different
> > way of
> > distributing the new oil and possibly getting rid of too much oil.
> > Just
> > keep your fingers out of there when she spins. Kind of scared me a
> > little
> > when I experienced it for the first time.
> >
> > But if any of you out there are in fact running new 2005
> machines/OS
> > software, make sure and verify that your software/machine knows it
> > has an
> > uncoated rotary hook from the factory and not a coated hook.
> > To check this (2005 Amaya OS software only)- go into "Settings",
> > "Timers",
> > and towards the bottom of the page, in the field that says "Hook
> > Type", be
> > sure you select "uncoated". When you do this it changes the oiling
> > interval
> > from 600,000 to an appropriate 200,000 stitch timer.
> > Coated Rotary Hooks have a bobbin basket that is black in color,
> > just like
> > ya' momma's Teflon coated frying pans. The uncoated hooks have a
> > bobbin
> > basket that is the same color as the rotary hook. (The bobbin
> basket
> > is
> > where you put the bobbin case ...that holds the bobbin. The bobbin
> > basket
> > is inside or a part of the Rotary Hook.)
> > I just returned from training two different customers with two new
> > machines/software each and all of their machines were defaulted to
> > coated
> > hooks. Remember, on average, you should oil an uncoated rotary
> hook
> > about
> > once or so a day. The one drop of oil you deposit gets heated from
> > friction, slung from centrifugal force, and evaporates with time
> > and/or dry
> > air. If you run constantly, maybe one drop in the morning and one
> in
> > the
> > middle of the sewing day.
> > Good luck.
> > Ed
> >
> > Ed & Maralien Orantes
> > E.M. Broidery
> > 900 Terry Parkway, Ste. 200
> > New Orleans, La. 70056
> > 504-EMBROID ery (504-362-7643)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom Buckner
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:58 PM
> > To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [amayausers] 2005 Design Shop and OS
> >
> >
> > Just curious as to whether or not anyone else has noticed the 2005
> OS
> > system
> > does quite a few things differently when performing the maintenance
> > checks.
> > For instance when doing the 200K maintenance the hook used to
> rotate
> > three
> > times after a drop of oil was put on it, now it zips through 6 or
> > seven
> > rotations. Just about every maintenance interval on our machines
> up
> > to and
> > including the 4M interval has changed. Obviously they have done
> this
> > for a
> > reason and maybe they should pass on this to those running earlier
> > versions
> > to take advantage of what they've learned.
> >
> >
> > Thomas Buckner
> >
> > tbuckner@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > www.ibistek.com
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