[amayausers] Re: Uncoated Hooks- 2005 Design Shop and OS
- From: "HK Acree" <hkacree@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:30:07 -0800
Excellent post Ed, thanks.
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: "E. Orantes" <e3m@xxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: Uncoated Hooks- 2005 Design Shop and OS
> Peter,
> Let me first say this: If you are new to the Amaya and possibly
> embroidery
> machines in general, cover yourself (at least during the warranty period)
> by
> following the maintenance procedures as instructed until you feel
> comfortable with where and when the machine should get lubed. Oil and
> grease to the machine is like the blood to your body. Without it, you
> ain't
> doing nothing tonight. Just be sure you understand the maintenance
> procedures correctly and that they are in fact turned on. In the timers
> tab
> under "settings". You'll see a check mark to disable or enable the timers
> feature. CAUTION: If you unclick this and re-click this check mark, you
> will reset all of your timers and you won't remember who or what should
> get
> oil or grease soon. You'll have to wait for one more timer interval until
> you are reminded again. That is unless you choose to "STEP" through the
> maintenance procedure at that time. I visited one customer who, using the
> photos in the maintenance procedures, was applying an adequate amount of
> grease all around the side of the take up lever cam and not all around the
> back of the take up lever cam where it was supposed to go because that's
> what the arrow in the picture looked like it was pointing too. When I
> showed him the correct way, it all made sense to him. Melco has since
> changed that picture in the maintenance procedure.
>
> Back to the subject... Why would Melco give anyone the opportunity to
> disable the timers when they are such a great feature??? Well, although I
> don't disable mine, I would like to disable some of them because I am so
> in-tune with my machines, I check them periodically whether they need it
> or
> not. If I feel like it needs oil or grease, I deliver. If I know I
> greased
> an area not too long ago and I still see signs of adequate grease, I don't
> add any more.
> This is not going to be the case for everybody. I've made a career out of
> electronics and mechanics since I was eighteen and am a 3rd party tech for
> Melco and Barudan now. Remember the story of the lady who hadn't oiled
> her
> rotary hook for over two weeks because the timers hadn't reminded her to
> do
> so. And she was running her Amaya every day. Somehow her timers had
> gotten
> disabled. She was okay but will eventually have to replace that rotary
> hook
> sooner than most.
> The worst thing that could happen if you put too much oil in the rotary
> hook or oil it too frequently is the chance of getting oil on the garment
> your sewing. (It drives me bonkers to hear people actually squirt WD40
> all
> around the rotary hook area.) I've had people say, how does the oil from
> the hook way down there get way up here to the fabric? The upper thread
> actually passes around the rotary hook over and over again before it gets
> stitched into the garment. The thread absorbs excess oil and transfers it
> to the fabric with every needle penetration and of course after the thread
> lays down on the garment in the design.
> Personally I don't step through all the maintenance procedures. Too time
> consuming for me. Others I do because it moves the machine where I want
> it
> to. At the beginning of every day, and sometimes in the afternoon, I put
> a
> drop of oil in the rotary hook's oiling point, however it is not in the
> oiling point position. What that means is it's a little tricky and hard
> to
> see in a dark room but very much faster than clicking through the
> procedure.
> From the front of the machine, when it's idle (or at head up), just under
> the needle plate and above the retaining finger, I insert my oiling needle
> (tip of bottle) just above the rotary hook's oiling point and with a
> steady
> hand, drop one drop of oil. If I suspect I dropped two or more (ooops) I
> always to a quick sew out of about 1 or 2 thousand stitches to absorb any
> excess oil on a couple of scrap pieces of backing. If I don't see signs
> of
> oil on the white backing, then I reset the design and start over with the
> real garment. But you should do this every time you oil your needle case
> or
> over oil the rotary hook just for good measure. The first time you get
> oil
> on something, you'll do this every time after.
> I believe Dana from the list says she oils her hook every two hours and/or
> sooner depending on the rattling sound the hook makes when it's dry. If
> you
> don't oil it enough, it will wear faster. If it wears faster, you will
> experience more and more thread breaks. Or as I call them, "thread
> tears"-
> commonly torn by the rotary hook. A "thread break" to me is when the
> thread
> is stretched to a point at which it breaks. It is said that the Rotary
> Hook
> is a consumable part and on average, might need replacing about every two
> years. If you oil it regularly and aren't having any thread break issues
> on
> just about every thing you sew, then don't replace it.
> One way to check it is to grab the bobbin shaft or post and push and pull
> a
> little bit to see how much play there is. It helps to have a new rotary
> hook
> in hand to compare to. The more play there is the more worn it is. Some
> people go ten years before replacing the hook, others have had to replace
> the hook after the first thirty days (with respect to lack of oil and
> wear).
> Geeze, I'm long winded. Sorry.
> Good luck to ya'.
> Ed
>
> Ed & Maralien Orantes
> E.M. Broidery
> 900 Terry Parkway, Ste. 200
> New Orleans, La. 70056
> 504-EMBROID ery (504-362-7643)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Peter Strike
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:07 AM
> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Uncoated Hooks- 2005 Design Shop and OS
>
>
> Ed, quick question on your 1 drop of oil daily... does that mean you go
> into the maintenence section and click on the 200, 000 timer each day,
> follow the procedure /move it in to proper oiling position and then add
> the oil. Or do you place a drop of oil in the same place (without
> going through the procedure), and then only go through the procedure
> when the 200,000 stitch timer comes on? (the latter could be a big
> no-no, I'm not actually doing that now, just curious)
>
> I'm new to this and want to make sure you mean to go through the
> complete 200,000 procedure each day etc., or is a drop in the same spot
> good enough to keep her properly lubed?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter Strike
> Indianapolis, IN
>
> --- "E. Orantes" <e3m@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Don't worry about the fast rotations after oiling the hook as opposed
>> to the
>> three slower rotations on the older machines. It's just a different
>> way of
>> distributing the new oil and possibly getting rid of too much oil.
>> Just
>> keep your fingers out of there when she spins. Kind of scared me a
>> little
>> when I experienced it for the first time.
>>
>> But if any of you out there are in fact running new 2005 machines/OS
>> software, make sure and verify that your software/machine knows it
>> has an
>> uncoated rotary hook from the factory and not a coated hook.
>> To check this (2005 Amaya OS software only)- go into "Settings",
>> "Timers",
>> and towards the bottom of the page, in the field that says "Hook
>> Type", be
>> sure you select "uncoated". When you do this it changes the oiling
>> interval
>> from 600,000 to an appropriate 200,000 stitch timer.
>> Coated Rotary Hooks have a bobbin basket that is black in color,
>> just like
>> ya' momma's Teflon coated frying pans. The uncoated hooks have a
>> bobbin
>> basket that is the same color as the rotary hook. (The bobbin basket
>> is
>> where you put the bobbin case ...that holds the bobbin. The bobbin
>> basket
>> is inside or a part of the Rotary Hook.)
>> I just returned from training two different customers with two new
>> machines/software each and all of their machines were defaulted to
>> coated
>> hooks. Remember, on average, you should oil an uncoated rotary hook
>> about
>> once or so a day. The one drop of oil you deposit gets heated from
>> friction, slung from centrifugal force, and evaporates with time
>> and/or dry
>> air. If you run constantly, maybe one drop in the morning and one in
>> the
>> middle of the sewing day.
>> Good luck.
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed & Maralien Orantes
>> E.M. Broidery
>> 900 Terry Parkway, Ste. 200
>> New Orleans, La. 70056
>> 504-EMBROID ery (504-362-7643)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom Buckner
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:58 PM
>> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [amayausers] 2005 Design Shop and OS
>>
>>
>> Just curious as to whether or not anyone else has noticed the 2005 OS
>> system
>> does quite a few things differently when performing the maintenance
>> checks.
>> For instance when doing the 200K maintenance the hook used to rotate
>> three
>> times after a drop of oil was put on it, now it zips through 6 or
>> seven
>> rotations. Just about every maintenance interval on our machines up
>> to and
>> including the 4M interval has changed. Obviously they have done this
>> for a
>> reason and maybe they should pass on this to those running earlier
>> versions
>> to take advantage of what they've learned.
>>
>>
>> Thomas Buckner
>>
>> tbuckner@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> www.ibistek.com
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