This message was posted by Rod or Sharon on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/1315.html#000002 As Jerome said...how small is small and how long is long? What density are you using? What backing? I have found that using a zig zag underlay at 15pt density and a 70% border width works much better than a center walk in most cases. A zig zag underlay is nothing more than a satin stitch with a more open density and it will follow the cures and angles better than a straight stitch and it will not peek out anywhere...try it, you will like it. I will use it down to about .2 on some fonts. But as Roland has mentioned so many times and rightfully so, density should be upped to between 5 and 6 or a tad higher depending on the garment involved. Rod Springer Amaya Tech & Trainer =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================