This message was posted by Oregonian1a on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/651.html#000004 When I bought my XT recently it was as a "complete package". Hoops, thread, tools etc. Not a complaint, but I would consider a complete package to be one with a Hoopmaster system. The cost could be offset by not including the large hoops, because from what I can see those are probably not going to see much use for me, at least at first. Mostly people are just wanting caps and logos on shirts so far. Before my training I was unaware of any sort of hooping system and was attempting to hoop the items by hand (eager to get started). I remember thinking; "Good Lord I will never be able to get this down..." :) =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================