Hi, Actually, the only annoyance with voiceover, and I'm not sure if this holds for the Symbian readers, is that you can't mute the voice and kill the voiceover gestures at the same time so a sighted person could fully use the phone without conflict with the voiceover gestures. You can kill voiceover completely, but then you need to reactive at and you need sight to see the 'on' option in the little menu that appears. I do think the ability to activate the speech via iTunes before the device is even switched on is rather neat though. It makes it really handy for those without sighted assistance who don't need to worry about installing things or configuring access settings before they can get started. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa Sent: 09 April 2010 13:53 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPhone OS 4.0 Features Unveiled-- The Mac-cessibility Network - News [Lioncourt.com] Hi, Whereas that may be true, you?ve got to admit for accessibility with a touch phone voiceover has the competition beat. I?ll verify this myself over the next day or two, but having been in close touch with someone who?s tried both major screen readers for Symbian, and voiceover for over a month, I think he?s right. Best, _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 09 April 2010 11:26 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPhone OS 4.0 Features Unveiled-- The Mac-cessibility Network - News [Lioncourt.com] Hi Gordon, If you want to know what is in OS 4 for iPhone, just take a seven year old Symbian phone, and you?re about there <Smile>. All the best Steve From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Keen Sent: Friday 9 April 2010 08:45 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] iPhone OS 4.0 Features Unveiled-- The Mac-cessibility Network ? 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