I take your point entirely Barbra but with reference to the disabled I was talking about an alternative reading medium and it would be fair to say that while sighted people do indeed use electronic format and the Open University use it on-line for all students, it is my preferred medium due to my visual impairment.
Eleanor----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Wilson" <barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 9:14 PMSubject: [access-uk] Re: The Open university course Materials in Alternative Format
All I am saying is that when you are communicating with a person, it is only common courtesy to ask them if they mind you publishing their comments on a public forum. Also, you implied that he removed your Email because you were disabled and I was just pointing out that he probably would have done the same with any student and if we go about with large chips on our shoulders expecting to be treated badly then we will see conspiracies in everything that happens to us. When something happense you don't like whether justifiable or not, we shouldn't always jump to the conclusion that it happened because we are disabled.I was just making a point, not having a go at your opinions, just expressing mine.Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs Barbara Wilson M: 07917710779 T: 02887784046 E: barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx IM: creativeeyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: creativeeyes----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR BURKE" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:04 PMSubject: [access-uk] Re: The Open university course Materials in Alternative FormatBarbra I have read your e-mail again. You would not necessarily understand but as a student in the university I did actually post to a specific site for all students on my course. I was not targeting any other students within the university. The Open University is different from the brick universities in that it is distance learning and becoming more and more Internet based. Students are not all roaming about meeting and talking to each other, all the talking is done on-line or in a monthly tutorial which students are not even obliged to attend. As a tutor sending me a course related e-mail it would not, in myh opinion by private and confidential otherwise there would be no accountability. I pay one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine pounds to do the course. I am actually entitled to curse materials and more importantly I am also entitled to a voice within the university. There is nothing to say that students must not speak of anythingto another person. If tutors within the university do not want what they say to a student, you must know that his e-mail does not come through his private e-mail account either but through the university e-mail system, then I think they should put a disclaimer at the end of the e-mail. I really think they could not get away with doing something like that.Eleanor----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Wilson" <barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:36 PMSubject: [access-uk] Re: The Open university course Materials in Alternative FormatHi EleanorI don't think you should be too paranoid over this. Your tutor I am sure did not get his Email removed because he wants to exert his power over disabled students. We really do have to get away from this persecution complex. Sometimes we see discrimination when it does not exist. I think perhaps if you had wanted to publish what was a private Email then you should have asked for his consent first. After all, he replied to you in person, it is reasonable to assume that he did not expect his comments to be publically available for all to see. It would have only been a common courtesy for you to ask him for his permission before publishing his reply.Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs Barbara Wilson M: 07917710779 T: 02887784046 E: barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx IM: creativeeyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: creativeeyes----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR BURKE" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:47 PMSubject: [access-uk] Re: The Open university course Materials in Alternative FormatPatricia and Others you may be interested in the following. I posted the e-mail from the publishers re the availability of the electronic text book for my course. The publishers suggested that my tutor might contact them on my behalf or Librarian etc. Anyway I wanted other students who were without the text to know of its availability. I had also posted my tutor's response to me which did not go down well at all. Note, as in this e-mail I did not put up his name but left where he had signed himself as Glen. First of all I was surprised that he had access to the students' forum. Anyway he got my posting removed such is the power of tutors over disabled students. this landed in my Inbox last night.From: To: eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: j.e.goodey@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 10:21 PM Eleanor,I have seen a conference posting by you pasting my response to your latestemail. I do not see why you found the need to put this on the conference. It identifies me by reference to "tutor" If I cannot be confident that emails will not be publicised then I will not feel obliged to respond to any further. Having done all I can for you Eleanor I am most disappointed at your actions here. As ever GlenThere then went up a notice on the students' forum which reads as follows:Hi All,I have unapproved the two messages sent by Eleanor as they appear to contravene the CoC in that they contain copies of messages from a third party without permission. I'd like to remind everyone not to copy or quote fromthose messages if you have access to them. Cheers :That is a disgrace in my opinion. There was nothing said by me that should not be said and what was said was simply said in the e-mails from Sweet and Maxwell and my tutor to me after reading the notice. I did not comment on what he had said at all, simply left the readers to draw their own conclusions. The named person to whom he Cc the e-mail is the Chair of the law programme at the Open University. If anyone feels like writing to this person on my behalf then please do. I feel my Human Rights and Freedom of Speech were curtailled here.Many thanks. Eleanor -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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