[access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent
- From: "Kirsten Edmondson" <keaedmondson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:46:05 -0000
I have learned 2 things about ATW today which I will now go and investigate
with my employer, but most of this comes down to the original thing that I
think Brendon stated (the paragraphs he listed earlier today on the original
thread) and the response he got , the majority of people who use ATW and
want to make use of it do not have a clue where they stand on anything ...
and yes is a general trend of bureaucrasy and I do not want a debate on this
as it is pointless, I am merely pointing out how it is with lists like this
that things are found out and that is a good thing. As I said, I know 2
things now that I didn't this morning, however, I shouldn't even have needed
to be told (and it's not until it happens, like the guy's BRLNote being
stolen that you think to ask these questions, or that you even think they
need asking), when you start a new job, especially your first, there is so
much else to think about that things like that just don't cross your mind,
I'm sure many of you are far more experienced in this than I am, and that is
good, but you can't just know something if it's never crossed your mind or
no one's ever told you, and you can't just expect everyone else to know what
you do either!
Hopefully it isn't just me who has found out things that they didn't know,
and that's what's valuable about this list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Fowler" <col.fowler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent
> Kirsten,
>
> I feel that your accusation towards Brendan and his comments were
> ungrounded. Your presumption that we as tax payers should fund your
> employers oblidations to continue to ensure that you are not at a
> disadvantage compared with others for whom a similar reason would not
> arise
> are preposterous, and is evidence of the ignorance and systemic abuse of
> the
> whole Access to work scheme by both employers and employees alike.
>
> As Brendan said it is extremely unlikely that upgrades are so critical as
> to
> leave you at a substantial disadvantage compared with your colleagues, and
> as you are entitled to a review of your support from Access to Work every
> three years, I doubt very much whether the fact that you have a
> reasonable
> adjustment that is not being upgraded every time a new version becomes
> available would be considered to be treating you at a disadvantage or a
> reasonable demand.
>
> Perhaps I could suggest that rather than you feeling aggrieved by comments
> made by those that work as professionals within this field you approach
> your
> employer and make a case for them in funding any necessary upgrades
> similar
> to how they would fund upgrades to their BCM software for the business.
>
> If then, failing approval by your employer to fund these upgrades you
> still feel aggrieved you will have the option to consider a case of
> discrimination relating to your disability. You may indeed have a case for
> being treated more favourably than persons for whom a similar reason would
> not apply, but be realistic your employer should fund your reasonable
> adjustments - they have a duty to do so under the Disability
> Discrimination
> Act 1995 and as I also suspect that your employer may also have a General
> &
> Specific duty to ensure that Disability Equality is addressed in the way
> they conduct themselves towards their employers who identify as being a
> person with a disability, they may also feel uncomfortable from that
> aspect
> of the legislation DDA 2005.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Colin Fowler
> Disability Consultant
> www.social-model.org.uk
> Telephone: 01582 483 283
> Text/Mobile: 07793 111 253
> E mail: col.fowler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirsten Edmondson" <keaedmondson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:19 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent
>
>
>> Actually I haven't got it out of the box, because I haven't yet been
>> supplied with a computer to put it on! and no ... the company will be
>> charging me £190 to upgrade as ATW were stupid enough not to get me an
>> SMA!
>> So don't just make ridiculous assumptions when you know nothing about my
>> situation!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brendan Magill" <brendan@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:59 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent
>>
>>
>>> Hi Barry, Kirsten and everyone,
>>>
>>> Barry, the paragraphs I quoted are not available on the Web, they are
>>> from an AtW internal document which defines the whole of AtW in some 160
>>> pages. I've been fortunate enough to be able to acquire a copy of this,
>>> because of the work which I do, though I had to sell my soul to get it.
>>> That's why you couldn't find it with Google!
>>>
>>> As for equipment eventually wearing out or becoming obsolete over an
>>> extended period of time, there should be no problem in AtW funding a
>>> replacement. It is recognized that technology does move on and that
>>> jobs change as a consequence, so if there's any problem then you need to
>>> make a fresh application to AtW on the basis that your working situation
>>> has changed as a result of changes in technology over time.
>>>
>>> Kirsten, the query you raise is unlikely to be of real significance.
>>> Firstly, changes from one version to the next are rarely so critical
>>> that one cannot function with the older version. Secondly, if a new
>>> version comes out so quickly after you've acquired the older one, most
>>> suppliers will have a free upgrade policy which should cover you.
>>> Thirdly, if you haven't got it out of the box within four weeks of
>>> receiving it, you probably don't need it anyway.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Brendan.
>>>
>>> --
>>> BRENDAN MAGILL
>>> Business, Employment &
>>> Disability Consultancy
>>>
>>> 8 York Place
>>> Worcester
>>> WR1 3DR
>>> England
>>>
>>> Phone: +44 (0)1905 28286
>>> Fax: +44 (0)870 127 7856
>>>
>>> Web: www.magill.co.uk
>>>
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