[access-uk] Re: Solution to jumpy web pages?
- From: Alasdair King <alasdairking@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:28:35 +0100
Turning off Javascript in your browser will probably work. But it's
pretty drastic.
In 1998 or thereabouts a page was a single HTML file. It loaded up,
you read it, you filled in a form, you submitted the form or followed
a linke, and you got a new HTML file.
Then came Web 2.0, or AJAX, or another buzzword. Now web pages update
and change while you are looking at them. Which is fine if you are
looking at them with eyes, but not if you're using a screenreader.
HTML5 will make this worse. Applications are moving from operating
systems to web pages, but they don't have the hooks and features that
have taken years to implement and let screenreaders use applications.
So you used to have Microsoft Outlook, which supported MSAA, and now
you have Google Mail, which, well, much more complex. The browser its
in supports MSAA, but that's an extra layer of indirection. ARIA is
supposed to help fix this, but it's still going to be hard.
You can stop this by turning off Javascript in your browser, so pages
can only change if you trigger it. But you'll then find that many
pages stop working at all, because Javascript is the new fashionable
thing and so useful it's used everywhere.
Best wishes,
Alasdair
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dave Taylor <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Damon
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> Here are my suggestions. In Jaws, you can switch almost everything off. Try
> setting Show Inline Frames, Refresh Page Automatically and everything else
> you can find in the verbosity dialogue off. Only switch them back on when
> they cause you a problem. One advantage of IE with Jaws is that you can have
> specific settings for particular sites, but they haven’t implemented this in
> Firefox sadly.
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> If you truly want a flat web experience, like it was in 1996, Webbie is the
> thing for you, especially as you can switch between its text view and its IE
> view, and decide which it should start in.
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> Also, make use of live bookmarks in Firefox or RSS in IE to view headlines.
> Then you need only visit the page for actual text. You could also search for
> text only or mobile site links using the links list or search feature.
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> Cheers
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> Dave
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> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Damon Rose
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:06 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Solution to jumpy web pages?
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> Hi there.
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> I'm wondering if someone knows of a solution to this. Perhaps a plug-in or a
> Firefox extension or a cut down browser of some sort?
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> Most often when I use the web, I use it to read pages. I don't want high
> functionality. The early days of the web with flat HTML pages were the best
> as far as I'm concerned.
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> Oftentimes, when I go to newspaper websites or many other pages, my JAWS
> cursor and Braille display starts fidgeting alarmingly, it doesn't let me
> arrow down a page properly, it gets stuck and then during reading my cursor
> gets whipped away so that I have to find the text again and the point in the
> text where I left off … just to have the cursor whipped away all over again
> 30 seconds later.
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> I imagine this is down to Flash, Air, Silverlight, or various Java, ajax,
> elements on a page. What I've never had the time to do is investigate this
> to find out which is the worst culprit and why.
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> It's annoying that you can go to a website that is otherwise fully access
> complient yet there was barely any point them putting in that work if
> screenreaders just slip and slide over the top of it as if they were skating
> on ice.
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> Before you ask, I'm working with the latest version of jaws and my computer
> is entirely virus and adware free. I'm writing this email today after
> attempting a bit of research on something and failing. I'm a little
> frustrated.
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> So. How do I stop it? Do I have any kind of control over it? Turning off
> Flash in the verbosity settings doesn't work on many sites so obviously the
> issue isn't just around Flash.
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> Or perhaps it's just my computer and every computer I've ever used.
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> Any thoughts on how to conquer this, iether by tweaking my browser, adding
> plug-ins or extensions, changing browser, viewing sites thru some kind of
> filter site, whatever, I'm keen to hear from you. I'm getting sick of it.
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> Thanks v much.
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> Damon Rose
> Senior Content Producer bbc.co.uk/ouch
> BBC Vision Learning
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> Tel: 020 8752 4427 (x0224427)
> email: damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx
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> Have you heard the award-winning Ouch Podcast yet? A razor sharp disability
> talk show presented by Mat Fraser and Liz Carr: www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast
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