[access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50

Hi Steve,

Considering how much complaining there is about the cost of
adaptive software upgrades, SAGE 12 has to be a prime
example of how it's done in the commercial world.  Exactly
the same, and at twice the price!!

I took a look at the very short new feature list, and
decided the money was better invested in Foster's amber
nectar and Silk Cut Silver.  It's the same result, money
down the drain and up in smoke, but at least I can enjoy it
my way.

George.

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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 20 November 2005 23:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50

Hi George,

You are right about accessibility issues.  I have just
upgraded to Line 50 V12, and it is worse than previous
versions, primarily because of the way the desktop is laid
out, and it seems to leave all kinds of windows open that
obscure others.  It is really weird.  I am in the process of
attempting to write a Window-Eyes set file for it, but it is
pretty hostile.  Even the menus are not standard.  If you
want proof of that, just load JAWS or Window-Eyes, and run
it, then access the menus.  They are not read at all by
Window-Eyes, and JAWS does read them, but seems to put
extraneous symbols by each menu option, so for example, it
will say "And File", as if there is an ampersand before the
word file, when you hit the alt key.  JAWS does a little
better than Wineyes with the menu, but that's about it.  It
is much the same throughout the rest of the program between
the two screen readers.
But if you know the shortcuts, such as they are, you can get
by, but only just.  For example, I know that if I hit Alt-O,
then B, I can get into the banking module, but if other
windows are open, it won't always scroll down the list of
bank accounts.  The worst culprit for that, is the customer
list.  I can't seem to get it to scroll at all with the
arrow keys any more, as I used to with earlier versions.
For example, if you hit Alt-O, T, you will open the customer
module, but then you can't seem to scroll down with the
arrows, nor can you hit the first letter of the customer, as
you used to be able to do with earlier versions.

George, do you know if there is any way of completely hiding
the desktop, so that it looks like older versions of Sage?
Version 9 was the most accessible for me, then it got worse.

I hope some of this rambling makes sense, and helps someone.

All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 20 November 2005 12:11
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50

Hi Kevin,

I suspect contacting Ruth Loebl at RNIB Birmingham might be
a worthwhile move. I don't have a direct line number but try
the general information line on 0845 766 9999.

We use SageLine 50 ourselves, from Order entry right through
to Balance Sheet, and keystroke operation is not one of it's
strong points.

However, I understand Ruth has had some communication with
SAGE, and it has been suggested that the company has finally
recognised they have serious accessibility issues to be
resolved.

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kevin and emma
Sent: 20 November 2005 11:53
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Sage Line 50

hi all, i'm looking at doing some sort of accountancy course
via distance learning. they are computer based accountancy
using Sage Line 50 which seems to be widely used in  the
industry. can anyone tell me if this is accessible using
JFW? if not wholly accessible is there any work around or
scripts etc?
any help appreciated!
Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion
list contact me via email/msn:
kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx


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