[access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50

i was looking at the costs earlier sage cover included and my first thought
was "ouch"! smile. i'm going to email ruth also as i really want to do this
course and it would be interesting to know just how far sage have got in
making their software accessible, or rather what plans they have to do so.
Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
contact me via email/msn:
kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50


> Hi George,
>
> I certainly can't disagree with you there.  The cost of Sagecover is
> horrendous.  I may have to go back to V9.0 if they don't do anything
> <Smile>.
>
> Just waiting for Ruth to contact me, as I have sent her an Email, and
> perhaps we can discuss this a bit, and see what we can come up with.
>
> All the best
> --
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> George Bell
> Sent: 20 November 2005 23:31
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Considering how much complaining there is about the cost of adaptive
> software upgrades, SAGE 12 has to be a prime example of how it's done in
the
> commercial world.  Exactly the same, and at twice the price!!
>
> I took a look at the very short new feature list, and decided the money
was
> better invested in Foster's amber nectar and Silk Cut Silver.  It's the
same
> result, money down the drain and up in smoke, but at least I can enjoy it
my
> way.
>
> George.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 20 November 2005 23:19
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50
>
> Hi George,
>
> You are right about accessibility issues.  I have just upgraded to Line 50
> V12, and it is worse than previous versions, primarily because of the way
> the desktop is laid out, and it seems to leave all kinds of windows open
> that obscure others.  It is really weird.  I am in the process of
attempting
> to write a Window-Eyes set file for it, but it is pretty hostile.  Even
the
> menus are not standard.  If you want proof of that, just load JAWS or
> Window-Eyes, and run it, then access the menus.  They are not read at all
by
> Window-Eyes, and JAWS does read them, but seems to put extraneous symbols
by
> each menu option, so for example, it will say "And File", as if there is
an
> ampersand before the word file, when you hit the alt key.  JAWS does a
> little better than Wineyes with the menu, but that's about it.  It is much
> the same throughout the rest of the program between the two screen
readers.
> But if you know the shortcuts, such as they are, you can get by, but only
> just.  For example, I know that if I hit Alt-O, then B, I can get into the
> banking module, but if other windows are open, it won't always scroll down
> the list of bank accounts.  The worst culprit for that, is the customer
> list.  I can't seem to get it to scroll at all with the arrow keys any
more,
> as I used to with earlier versions.
> For example, if you hit Alt-O, T, you will open the customer module, but
> then you can't seem to scroll down with the arrows, nor can you hit the
> first letter of the customer, as you used to be able to do with earlier
> versions.
>
> George, do you know if there is any way of completely hiding the desktop,
so
> that it looks like older versions of Sage?
> Version 9 was the most accessible for me, then it got worse.
>
> I hope some of this rambling makes sense, and helps someone.
>
> All the best
> --
> Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
> Telephone Voice:  +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS:  +44(0)1438
> 759589
> mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
> Email:  Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
> Sent: 20 November 2005 12:11
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sage Line 50
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I suspect contacting Ruth Loebl at RNIB Birmingham might be a worthwhile
> move. I don't have a direct line number but try the general information
line
> on 0845 766 9999.
>
> We use SageLine 50 ourselves, from Order entry right through to Balance
> Sheet, and keystroke operation is not one of it's strong points.
>
> However, I understand Ruth has had some communication with SAGE, and it
has
> been suggested that the company has finally recognised they have serious
> accessibility issues to be resolved.
>
> George.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of kevin and emma
> Sent: 20 November 2005 11:53
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Sage Line 50
>
> hi all, i'm looking at doing some sort of accountancy course via distance
> learning. they are computer based accountancy using Sage Line 50 which
seems
> to be widely used in  the industry. can anyone tell me if this is
accessible
> using JFW? if not wholly accessible is there any work around or scripts
etc?
> any help appreciated!
> Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me
> via email/msn:
> kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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