Hi Barry, Yes, the BCAB list is really the place for this one. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: 24 October 2006 17:25 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Problems programming with speech I suggest you contact BCAB ASAP. Hopefully you'll reach a wider list there of people who may be able to help How I wish I could! -- Carol carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "BCAB List" <bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: [access-uk] Problems programming with speech > Hi all. > > I am in the second year of a computer science honors degree. > > I am having great difficultys when it comes to coding and reading code > using window eyes/jaws. > > I understand that alot of computer programmers use braille displays? > However, I can not read braille so a braille display is out of the option > for me. > > Where I'm coming unstuck is when it comes to reading somebody elses code, > and deciphering it, to then go and modify/add to it. > > As many of you know when it comes to reading text we have three main > methods. > > 1. By character. > > 2. By word. > > 3. By line. > > Of course we have further application specifics, such as sentence, > paragraph etc. However, these do not help when it comes to reading > computer code. > > My problems with the reading methods are below. Note: I accept I may not > be implamenting these methods as efficiently as I could be. So am open to > suggestions. > > A. I find reading by character is slow and cumbersome. > > B. Reading by word comes unstuck when we introduce symbols such as < > () > [] {} " etc. > > For example,. > > Take the string of text, > > http://www.google.com > > If we try and read that by word, we get the hole string. Not, > > " > Http: > // > www > . > google > . > com > " > C. By line unless you are fluent with code is hard to pick up exactly > what the line of code is saying. > > My fellow sighted students have the advantage of using development > languages that take advantage of formatting such as, indentation, colour > coding etc. This makes it much easier for them to see what a piece of code > is calling/performing/referencing etc. > > While I can have Window Eyes/Jaws announce formatting changes. This is > yet more information to have to take in along with the codes syntax. > Additionally it is not just a line that changes colour but often > words/symbols within that code as well. > > Is there anyone out there who has ran into these difficultys and can offer > suggestions? I'm literally getting tension headaches because of this. > > My lecturer has began spending some extra time with me, explaining the > logic. I am grasping these concepts, it's simply when it comes to coding > I freak out. > > I'm also going to try and break the problems down into some understandable > sudo code for myself. > > So I'll work the problem out in English and then go and find the code that > performs each statement. > > I'm going to have to spend alot of time on this one module, which is a > hard fact but it's either that or don't proceed with my degree. Which > would be a real shame as I enjoy computing and I have the technical > knowledge and understanding to complete this degree, witha fair amount of > hard graft. > > Help! > > Barry > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq