Hi Barry, Course, he hasn't addressed the fact that Freedombox was there first, in 1998, and Freedom Scientific got the name in 2001. At one time, = Jonathan used to be objective, but he is losing credibility by the day in my = view. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf = Of Dj Paddy Sent: 23 May 2007 03:00 To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Fw: [blind_geek_zone] Fw: [BCT] Some thoughts on FreedomScientific verses Seroteck I really had respect for Jonothon, untill i read this. However, it seems he's been blinded by the almighty dollar and the = Corporate life. It's sickening that he's trying to write by pleading the role of the = humble=20 journalist, whilst admitting his position within the company. I feel Freedom Scientific regardless of the out come have dealt = themselves a blow in the eyes of their customers and potential customers. Dj Paddy =D4=E0=06 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <blind_geek_zone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:31 AM Subject: [blind_geek_zone] Fw: [BCT] Some thoughts on FreedomScientific=20 verses Seroteck > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Visit my webpage and podcast feed at www.blind-geek-zone.net > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Larry Gassman" <lgsinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Blind Cool Tech" <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:36 PM > Subject: [BCT] Some thoughts on FreedomScientific verses Seroteck > > > >>>Jonathan Mosen wrote the following on his Exploders list. >> >>Larry >> >> >>>Last week, Freedom Scientific, Inc. filed suit against Serotek=20 >>>Corporation >>>for trademark infringement with respect to the FreedomBox range of >>>products. >>>Since then, the matter has been discussed at length on some >>>blindness-related blogs and e-mail lists. I'd like by way of this = message >>>to >>>clarify what I view as some of the objectives of the suit. I am a = Vice >>>President at Freedom Scientific, and am extremely proud to work = there. >>>However writing this message is my own initiative as a former = technology >>>journalist. My aim in doing this is that people at least get a chance = to >>>consider facts over rhetoric. >>> >>>Firstly, let me talk a little about trademark law. A trademark's = purpose >>>is >>>to exclusively identify a source and origin of products. Importantly, = a >>>trademark only applies to a certain range of goods or services. One = of=20 >>>the >>>questions I have seen on e-mail lists is, "how can Freedom Scientific >>>claim >>>to own the word Freedom." By taking this action, Freedom Scientific = is=20 >>>not >>>seeking to do this. Rather, Freedom Scientific is simply enforcing = the >>>Freedom Scientific trademark, which it owns for certain goods. = Freedom >>>Scientific has invested to establish its trademarks and is only = seeking=20 >>>to >>>enforce these valuable rights. Freedom Scientific has the legal = right,=20 >>>and >>>the obligation to its customers and shareholders, to protect the use = of >>>its >>>trademark in the context of assistive technology. The concept of = using >>>common words in trademarks is common - for example the use of the = word >>>Apple >>>to describe a computer company. As is well known through recent news >>>stories, Apple is quite entitled to own this name in the context of >>>computer >>>hardware and software products. It does not, of course, mean that = Apple >>>has >>>any rights to the name when you eat a piece of fruit. Trademarks can >>>co-exist where there is no similarity between the businesses. For=20 >>>example, >>>Delta Airlines and Delta Faucets are trademarks, but there is no = issue >>>there >>>because the businesses' purposes are totally different and there is = no >>>room >>>for confusion. Freedom Scientific is confident that its trademark = rights >>>will be upheld. The broadening of scope of the FreedomBox products to >>>include products like FreedomBox System Access (FBSA) offering access = to >>>mainstream applications only exacerbates the infringement. >>> >>>Trademarks are not some abstract thing. They are a company's = reputation. >>>They are legal property, and you can't simply take someone's property >>>without their consent. >>> >>>Secondly, I'd like to turn to the question, "why now." All sorts of >>>bizarre >>>speculation have been put forward as to the timing of this suit. = Freedom >>>Scientific made Serotek well aware of its position on this matter, = but >>>unfortunately Serotek was unwilling to negotiate a settlement to this >>>matter. No one likes having to go to court, but if you genuinely = believe >>>your property rights are being trampled upon, in the end there is no >>>choice >>>but to do so if you are unable to get a resolution any other way. >>> >>>Thirdly, it has been said that Freedom Scientific is giving the blind >>>community no credit by taking this action, and that everyone knows = the >>>difference between the two product lines. Rest assured, this is most >>>certainly not the case. I can tell you that Freedom Scientific has = been >>>contacted by Serotek customers seeking technical support, or even = wanting >>>to >>>buy a Serotek product. Thus, there is a likelihood of confusion. >>> >>>Fourthly, a petition has been established by the hosts of ACB Radio's = >>>Main >>>Menu, calling itself the Save Serotek petition. The grossly = misleading >>>name >>>of this petition implies that somehow Freedom Scientific's objective = is=20 >>>to >>>put Serotek out of business. As a result of the sensationalist name, = many >>>commenters to the Petition have made comments to this effect. All = Freedom >>>Scientific is seeking to do is protect its property and to seek >>>appropriate >>>compensation for the unlawful use of it. >>> >>>The objective here is not to put Serotek out of business. 2007 has=20 >>>already >>>seen great innovation from Freedom Scientific and there's plenty more = to >>>come. Honest competition inspires excellence and is good news for the >>>customer. But I stress the word "honest." Yes, many people in = assistive >>>technology are motivated by a strong sense of purpose and commitment = to >>>making a difference. But these companies are still commercial = entities, >>>who >>>have every right to use the legal system to protect their property if = >>>they >>>think they need to, just as you have a right to use the legal system = if >>>someone breaks into your house and takes something belonging to you >>> >>>In closing, I hope that those genuinely interested in the facts of = this >>>matter will take the time to read up on trademark case law, but most >>>importantly, will let the judicial process take its course. It occurs = to >>>me >>>that if Freedom Scientific has got it as wrong as a few people claim, = >>>then >>>what do they have to fear? A jury will dismiss the case. I doubt that = >>>will >>>happen though. If the law has been broken as I believe it has, then >>>Freedom >>>Scientific is quite entitled to redress. >>> >>>My hope is that sanity prevails and that Serotek has both the courage = and >>>the decency to brand its products in a fashion that wasn't already = being >>>used in this industry. I think they would gain a lot of respect from = the >>>blind community for acting honourably. Fair competition is not too = much=20 >>>to >>>ask for, and it most certainly is worth fighting for. >>> >>>Those interested in the subject of trademarks may like to take a look = at >>>the >>>Wikipedia entry on the subject, found at: >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark. >>> >>>Jonathan Mosen > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindCoolTech mailing list > To send a message to the list, send it to: > BlindCoolTech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from the list or to make changes to your list settings = or > view the list archives, click on the following link: > = http://lists.luv2bablyndi.net/listinfo.cgi/blindcooltech-luv2bablyndi.net= > > To post a message, send your posts to: > > blind_geek_zone@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe, send message to: > > blind_geek_zone-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put unsubscribe in the subject line. > > Archived messages can be found at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/blind_geek_zone > > Visit the website at: www.blind-geek-zone.net >=20 ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq