I'm not convinced about the accessibility of Safari, particularly with Voiceover. It lacks much of the quick key functionality that Jaws does with Internet Explorer and Firefox, which for someone who is used to jumping around a web page from heading to heading, list to list etc, made page navigation very slow and cumbersome. Regards, Tink. _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray's Home Sent: Monday, 06 March 2006 10:21 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibility of Tiger OS No worries about the capslock Phil! I've come across a guy on another list using the Mac with Tiger and screen reader. he's become visually impaired fairly recently and I think it might have been that his wife chose the computer for its looks, as women tend to do, (smile). Anyway, he seems to be getting on quite well as he regularly comes onto the mail list and does a fair bit of internet work too. I hear Safari, which is Apple browser is much better than it used to be for accessability. Not so though with all the Apple programs I'm led to understand. Someone else who bought a Mac recently was Andrew Hodgson who we don't here so much of on this llist now, but it might be worth emailing him for his thoughts on it, learning curve, it usefulness and so on. I believe he bought the Apple Mini which you can buy without a monitor or keyboard for £350.00-400 .00. It's very very small being little bigger than a CD in its width/depth measurements, and maybe 2" thick. It has good connectivity, and reasonalble power. Some folks are running audio applications on it. Of course it comes with OSX Tiger with the bundled screen reader. That's not a bad price to pay for getting into Mac computing if that's where you want to be headed. Its early days yet for the Apple screen reader and one can reasonably hope things will get better as the OS and screen reader are updated. Don't forget too that the Apple does come with some screen magnification features too. I don't know what support is like, but there is at least one email list of blind Apple users you might search out. HTH. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil <mailto:philstep72@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Stephenson Yup, have had a couple of total Mac fans raving about using apple mac'S. I CURRENTLY USE WIN xp PRO WITH jaws 7 AND AM NOT UNHAPPY BUT I DID USE A MAC SOME 10 YEARS OR SO AGO WHEN I COULD USE SCREEN-ENLARGEMNET SOFTWARE. so MY QUESTION IS A GENREAL ONE AT THIS STAGE, ANYONE OUT THERE USING A Mac AND IF SO HOW DO THEY FIND THE ACCESSIBILITY OF tiger AND THE RANGE OF Mac programs available. Yeah I know any switch would require a lot of dosh but that's not my key question at this stage. Hopefully I won't be shot simply for even suggesting the switch from windows to Mac!! Look forward to receiving your comments, cheers, Phil p.s. sorry about the caps lock being on for part of this!!!