I found this very interesting. -c ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen To: IWORSHIP@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [IWORSHIP] IWORSHIP Digest - 7 Jul 2005 to 8 Jul 2005 (#2005-117) On Jul 9, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Paulaschwartz611@xxxxxxx wrote: > So the challenge for this shabbat is -- not what gets people to > shul, but > what gets "shul" into people? That is a question that I ask myself on a personal basis, because one of my goals was to have a large Jewish family. So my husband and I started a family about 29 years ago. We have five children, all young adults now. However, not only do I not see any inkling or desire in most of them to get to shul, but shul seems to take no place in their "being." We were involved to a good extent during their growing up years. We had Shabbat dinners every week (candles, challah, wine, etc.) We celebrated the holidays etc. Now age may be a factor. To some extent the society they live in may be a factor. We moved into a rather Jewish suburb when they were young, (but maybe that was a mistake.) They grew up going to the JCC for activities. They all went to hebrew school and religious school and they all had a bar/bat mitzvah. 3 of the finished confirmation. The younger 2 refused to go, and I really couldn't force them. Maybe what we did at home or in the community was not enough. 4 of my children have been to Israel and enjoyed it very much. Maybe we were too secular ourselves, but religion was not on the back burner either. We were also not the type of parents that would isolate or limit them or be overly strict with them. I think for the most part they do consider themselves Jewish(in a cultural sense... )that is a good thing, but they do not see the same bigger picture that I would like them to. Constantly they tell me that organized religion is the cause of the world's ills in the past and even now. They think that if there were a supreme being, this world would not be in such a mess. They are maybe too young to look at the Torah in a more allegorical way. They feel that services are boring and a waste of time. I'm sure some of you have heard all this before. In fact, my daughter took a course at the U. of B. in Judasim that was taught be a Lubevitch professor, and some if his black and white interpretations really turned off my daughter to organized religion and even Judaism in genreal. I have tried my best to turn what he told her to more reasonable terms including explaining to her and my other kids that if they come once in a while to services with us, it would at least make us parents happy that we are there together as a family. My older children are a little more understanding than my younger ones, although my eldest has been dating a young lady from Tai wan who was brought up without religion and has in some ways turned my son away from religion and spirituality. What they came away from on their trips to Israel was that the Israeli's live a secular Jewish life in general and most of them are not religious and don't go to a shul because they live Judaism everyday. So will the shul become part of them? Hard to say. Maybe with time? When I grew up, family, going to temple, participating was something I enjoyed. Noone had to convince me (although I did not enjoy getting up to go to "Sunday school." I wanted a family, it was part of who I was. I did not believe in zero population growth (for Jews), a big issue at the time I was young. Some of my children say they don't necessarily want kids. The others don't talk about what they want. My elder daughter does not necessarily want to get married or have kids. My younger daughter is some what of a "free spirit" type of kid. They do not and maybe never have had that communal within in Judaism where their peers put religion over secular activities. As for the congregation where I am soloist, I try to bring some kind of spirituality into what we do; it is a part time synagogue in the suburbs, where religion has not necessarily been a high priority for the majority. We don't have services every week and I don't know that we would get consensus if we decided to do so. We have Sat. services when there is an occasional bar or bat mitzvah. I hate to say it, but it is "Judaism Lite", but it is a start in the right direction. Those who come regularly, have it in them to come. Those that come once a year do not seem to have that compulsion to be closer to the community. I was talking online to one of our teenagers one day. I told her I had to go to light the candles. She said, her mother never lights candles at home. The only time she sees them lit is on the occasions that she might come to a service. On the other hand, I lit them every week, and I don't know if it made any impact on my children. So I find it very difficult to answer the initial question. I hope I don't sound negative; that was not my intention. I'm just rather realisitc about what is going on around me. Is there an answer to the above quesion? I don't know. We can only keep trying. The shul needs to be the center of our lives, but I think that is more difficult today than it was in yesteryear. l'shalom. Ellen Lerner, soloist Congregation Etz Chaim 75 families Fairport (Perinton), Ny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The IWORSHIP mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ To unsubscribe email: IWORSHIP-unsubscribe-request@xxxxxxxxxxx