In response to Joe, here is one version of the processes/functions I suggest would need to be in place for a more robust CR to actually achieve understanding (as in the kind of understanding we recognize in ourselves). The full listing, with some responses to it, will be found on the list to which the link I have included takes you: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ai-philosophy/message/16330 CONSCIOUSNESS IN THREE LISTS List # 1: FEATURES FOUND IN HUMAN TYPE CONSCIOUSNESS (all of which may need to be present and integrated [working together] for consciousness to be said to have occurred).* 1) Intentionality (aboutness, i.e., the general capacity to relate representations to things) 2) Comprehension/Apprehension (recognizing and imputing meaning to things, i.e., making particular connections between symbols and objects -- or, another way of saying it, associating representations with other kinds of representations as relating symbols and images of various types [mental or actual]) 3) Awareness (recognizing distinction[s] between Self and Other[s]) * It's possible that there is a great deal of overlap between these three functionalities and that, indeed, we may need all three to have any one of them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List #2 FUNCTIONS WHICH MUST BE PERFORMED AS A BASIS FOR THE ABOVE: 1) Perception (capturing information about the world) 2) Thinking (generating/using representations) 3) Believing (making and retaining valuational distinctions, including, but not limited to, distinguishing true from false, good from bad, etc.) 5) Remembering (retrieving past representations and making relational connections -- that is, retrieving alone is not remembering) 6) Picturing (placing particular representations into various larger representations based on identified relational factors -- perhaps better understood as mapping, including many levels of tiered and interconnected maps of various aspects of the inner and outer "worlds" of the entity) 7) Projecting (thinking ahead, i.e., recognizing temporal distinctions and placing representations in different loci on one or more temporal map/pictures)* * This last seems to correspond somewhat to Eray's insistence on the significance of "planning". (Does it support the function of intentionality as he suggests? I'm not sure, but certainly it is the functions found on this level, as a group, that enable the higher level functions in list #1 to occur.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List # 3: BASIC PROCESSES/SYSTEMS/PERFORMANCE HARDWARE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THE HIGHER LEVEL FUNCTIONS ABOVE: 1) Information Collection (apparatus and sub-systems to bring various kinds of data into the entity) 2) Information Breakdown (sub-systems to analyze, synthesize, associate, i.e., establish relational connections between inputted information) 3) Information Representation (sub-systems to convert one kind of data element to others, e.g., replacing different kinds of received raw signals with images/symbols for ease of use and retrieval at other levels) 4) Information Transfer (sub-systems for passing information, in whole or part, between other systems) 5) Information Storage (sub-systems to capture and hold the information in various forms awaiting retrieval) 6) Information Retrieval (sub-systems to pull out and return to useable status stored information) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ General Note 1: It's the second list that would appear to be of most interest in any effort to construct a synthetic consciousness because the third and last list is largely basic and computational while the first is the one that's mysterious and whose occurrence we want to explain and then make happen. General Note 2: There would, in a consciousness like us, probably need to be at least one subsystem separated from the rest to form and constitute the agential self and this may require a somewhat different and parallel system "tree" though rooted in the same foundation as represented by list #3. It's not clear though how far up the tree formed by these three tiers the branch off would need to be. Maybe above #2 but below #1. ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/