This is has been brought up many times over the years. Old duffers like myself look at it with a lot of different perceptions. The word "Birding" does not include other hobbies or past times. I draw birds and there is natural resources in the drawings, leaves, branches, stones, etc) That Is called drawing wildlife or drawing birds. Of course most of you know that I photograph quite a bit.. That is called photographing. I collect bird figurines and bird carvings. This is called being a collector. I have been with several persons who hear a bird (circa, Red-breasted Nuthatch), list it for having found it and keep on going without really looking at it. I can sit at home and listen to tapes if I would like to go that route. For every list that I have, all states, counties, countries, I do not list a bird unless I see it. Seeing the beauty, etc. Each to his/her own. So, to me the word "birding is not a fit for all the activities involved. If I stated to someone that I am a birder, even to another bird person, they would not know about photographing, drawing, collecting, et al. I like to use "bird watching" when I am out looking for birds. One can look in a field guide as look at a plate drawing or photograph, but that is all you see.. the standard plate. Watching birds is a pleasure. They dip, bob, weave, carve, act up, chase each other, nab from a feeder. This is bird watching. You do not get that in a guide or other bird books. It also informs a person exactly what your doing. Watching birds. Just my 1 cent worth to this good debate. Dennis Kuecherer Ozaukee County #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn.