[wisb] Re: Whooper Swans for Sale
- From: Barry Stamm <stamm.barry@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx" <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:48:12 -0500
With reports of it resting up on the grass, seems quite feasible to get some
"DNA". Any other way to prove it's origin at this point?
Barry Stamm
Dane county
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Ryan Brady <ryanbrady10@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> But as was nicely pointed out in another forum, if someone bought a pair from
> Purely Poultry and bred them, then in just one generation you have no
> guarantee of pinioned wings or any other sign of captivity in an escaped bird.
>
> Given the lack of any proof of either a wild or captive origin, the
> conversation can just go round and round in any way someone wants to take it.
> Because it's easy to argue your case for either origin when no real evidence
> can prove you wrong.
>
> So until such proof arises it comes down to possibility vs. probability. Many
> birders will choose the possibility of wild origin as the default condition,
> likely because we'd prefer the excitement of such a rare vagrant, not to
> mention its countability for all the crazy lists we keep. But, somewhat more
> scientifically, records committees in charge of maintaining the state
> checklist have to - in this case - look at the higher probability of captive
> origin (or descendents of birds of captive origin) as the default that must
> be overcome with proof otherwise. Why? Because no pattern of vagrancy has
> been established for this species east of the Rockies; because the species is
> widely kept in captivity; because an unknown number of captive Whoopers was
> released in eastern MN in the 90s, nested in 1998, and persisted at least
> through 2004; and so on.
>
> Regardless, continue to make field observations, take photographs, and seek a
> solid case for either origin. Report what you find to public forums and to
> WSO for discussion and analysis. It may not pay off today with acceptance to
> the "official" state list but someday it might based on new information about
> the species.
>
> And the good news is, provided you are not in a competitive listing scenario
> operating under standard rules, you can count whatever the heck you want on
> your own lists!
>
>
> Ryan Brady
> Washburn, Bayfield County, WI
> http://www.pbase.com/rbrady
>
>
>> From: little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx
>> To: tone20201@xxxxxxx; wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [wisb] Re: Whooper Swans for Sale
>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:41:51 -0500
>>
>> A friend of mine made an inquiry to them. Here is the email response he
>> received:
>> From: Purely Poultry <chicks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: October 28, 2013 at 10:59:37 AM EDT
>> To: Joehildreth@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Website Inquiry from Purely Poultry
>>
>> Dear Joe,
>> We do not breed the swans at our Wisconsin facility. They come from the east
>> and west coast areas, so there would not be any birds missing from us here
>> in Wisconsin. Also, all of the birds we sell are pinioned, so if it was one
>> we had sold to a customer, it would not be able to fly. Thank you for your
>> interest in caring for this bird!Please let me know if there is anything
>> else I can help you with.
>>
>> Cassandra
>> Purely Poultry
>> Phone: 920-472-4068 Web: purelypoultry.com/
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Joe Hildreth <chicks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> From: Joe Hildreth
>> Email: Joehildreth@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am a bird watcher and just had a couple questions about a recent bird
>> sighting in your area. There is currently a Whooper Swan hanging out at
>> Otsego Marsh, in Columbia county. I see you could be considered a "local"
>> breeder for this species. The birding community is trying to determine an
>> origin for this bird. Supposedly to this point it does not appear to show
>> any signs of captive origin, ie. it's a strong flier, no bands observed or
>> wing tags. Would a bird from you be marked in some way?? Would/could this
>> be a bird of yours?? Do you know any other "local" collections or breeders
>> that could be missing a Whooper Swan. Thank you!
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> --Chris
>>
>> Happy Birding! --Chris W, Richland CountyTour leader Swallowtail Birding
>> Tours https://www.facebook.com/Swallowtailbirdingtours?ref=hl
>>
>> Interpretive Naturalist Mississippi Explorer Cruises
>> http://mississippiexplorer.com/chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://swallowtailedkite.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/swallowtailphoto
>>
>> "The beauty and genius of a work of art may be reconceived, though its first
>> material expression be destroyed; a vanished harmony may yet again inspire
>> the composer; but when the last individual of a race of living things
>> breathes no more, another heaven and another earth must pass before such a
>> one can be again."
>>
>> (From William Beebe's "The Bird: Its Form and Function," 1906)
>>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:11:20 -0700
>> From: tone20201@xxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [wisb] Whooper Swans for Sale
>> To: little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx; wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Not so fast: Give purelypoultry.com a call, 920-472-4068. It's the buyer's
>> choice: free flying, clipped or pinioned. And don't forget, captive swans
>> breed and owners may or may not pinion the young. It goes without saying
>> that clipped birds molt. There is no
>> guarantee that owners are dedicated to re-clipping if the swans seemingly
>> develop loyalty to their home site. Now, if a pet swan should lose its mate
>> through death, it may wander, or if it is a single captive approaching
>> sexual maturity, it too may wander in search of a mate. I was told that once
>> a pet swan is free it is not likely to be captured, at least not easily.
>> The people to contact about buyers and sellers of Whooper Swans, waterfowl
>> and birds in general are Mt Hope Auction Inc. in Mt. Hope, Ohio, phone
>> 330-674-6188. They'll let you know a thing or two about the ongoing business
>> of the waterfowl/bird trade.
>> Another problem is that of breeding feral Whooper Swans (Massachusetts). Way
>> back in the year 2000 this was a discussed issue. See Patten, M. A. 2000.
>> The Winter Season, 1999-2000: Warm Weather and Cross-continental Wonders,
>> "North American Birds" 54, 146-9.
>> And for those of you who want to learn Whooper Swan basics, I suggest "The
>> Whooper Swan" 2003, 512 pages, by the international expert Mark Brazil. It's
>> a long detailed read, but worthwhile (I've done it), and an excellent
>> reference. Likewise, there is Eileen Rees's Bewick's Swan, 2006, 296 pages.
>> Through these two named sources it becomes apparent that the life cycles of
>> Northern Hemisphere swans place severe limitations upon them as would-be
>> global vagabonds (e.g. Wisconsin)--unlike shorebirds.
>> But then who says listers are keen learners? It's your choice.
>> J.T. Sokol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Chris West <little_blue_birdie@xxxxxxx>
>> To: "tone20201@xxxxxxx" <tone20201@xxxxxxx>; [Wisb] <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: [wisb] Whooper Swans for Sale
>>
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>> It should be noted that the purelypoultry.com people pinion their birds so
>> they are unable to fly.
>>
>>
>> --Chris
>>
>>
>> Happy Birding! --Chris W, Richland County
>> Tour leader
>> Swallowtail Birding Tours
>> https://www.facebook.com/Swallowtailbirdingtours?ref=hl
>>
>> http://swallowtailedkite.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/swallowtailphoto
>> chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> "The beauty and genius of a work of art may be reconceived, though its first
>> material expression be destroyed; a vanished harmony may yet again inspire
>> the composer; but when the last individual of a race of living things
>> breathes no more, another heaven and another earth must pass before such a
>> one can be again." (From William Beebe's "The Bird: Its Form and Function,"
>> 1906)
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:36:02 -0700
>>> From: tone20201@xxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [wisb] Whooper Swans for Sale
>>> To: wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Subject: Whooper Swan Otsego Marsh Columbia Co.10/27, some images
>>> Date: Sun Oct 27 2013 22:22 pm
>>> From: jimedlhuber AT gmail.com
>>>
>>> Please note:
>>> All out of range waterfowl are potentially suspect due to marketing.
>>> J.T. Sokol
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.purelypoultry.com
>>> Whooper Swans for sale
>>> Starting at $3,450.00
>>> Please Choose:
>>> Gender
>>> Yearling Pair $3,450.00
>>>
>>> http://rollinrockranchmn.com/swan.php
>>> Whooper Swans
>>> We have three unrelated pairs of Whooper Swans
>> http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/90965/mated-whooper-swans-3-yrs-old-for-sale-in-maria-stein-ohio-45860
>>> I have a pair of mated 3-year-old Whooper Swans for sale. $1,000.00 or make
>>> an offer.
>>> Shipping is available.
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