Hi folks! Haven't posted in a long time, but I continue to read and enjoy the photos. I have a couple of photos I'd love to appeal to you experts for help with, if you would. We get a lot of hawk sightings out our way, near Walmart area in Manitowoc, and especially a lot of Coopers by our feeders over the years, but I've never seen this before. I'm assuming I have either a male Cooper or a female Sharpy here, but what was different was the fact this one had bright yellow orbital rings and a bright yellow cere. I scoured the internet and all my manuals, and only found one lonely picture of a sharp-shin with what appeared to be the same thing: http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Sharp-shinned_Hawk/id Look at the full length photo, bottom left. So I am wondering, is this characteristic of sharp-shinned hawks, does anyone know? Because I can't seem to find references to it, and I've taken hundreds of photos of Coopers and have NEVER seen this before on one of them. And what we normally get coming to the feeders are easily 3-4 inches longer than this one, which was still at least maybe 15 inches? But clearly I'm in that size range where it could be one or the other. I've never positively identified a sharp-shinned hawk in this in- between size in my entire life, so I wouldn't trust myself now, even. But I am curious about the bright yellow orbital rings and cere, which I've never seen in any other area raptor I've observed here except the odd Merlin that chances to come around. I read somewhere that sharp-shins' shoulders are pulled forward a little, (and I'm not sure about that), but if so, that would seem to fit this one. So I am delicately leaning toward a sharpy. :-) The light was poor, and my photos aren't tack sharp or anything, as I had no time to set up for a thoughtful shot. So I brightened the photos up for this viewing, but the attributes I mentioned are still clearly visible in the originals. If anyone would like to see more views, I can add a few more if it would help to identify the hawk. This is a folder on my Photobucket site, and I will add any other pics needed to the same one. http://s1006.photobucket.com/albums/af183/DesignsByShiraev/Birds/ Nest regards- Gloria Shiraef Manitowoc City/County #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn