[windows2000] Re: On Wanscaler and WAAS and Wah Wah Wah.

  • From: "Leitman, Ken" <ken.leitman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:34:18 -0400

We have on here and are about to do a proof of concept with our London
office. This device is good for plain CIFS and duplicate data streams,
but is not yet fully application aware (like Exchange/Outlook). Anyone
interested in our findings, email me direct,


Ken Leitman  


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Subject: [windows2000] On Wanscaler and WAAS and Wah Wah Wah.


Citrix's recent acquisition of OrbitalData, chronicaled and announced



creates a sense of excitement for me.  This device is beyond the scope
of what Citrix has been doing in the appliance world. Now everything
they do is about "application delivery"  I attended a seminar on the
device at the Microsoft offices here in Cleveland yesterday and the one
thing that stuck in my mind is the device optimizes CIFS.  CIFS or
common interchange file system, is Microsofts shot at improving SMB.
(See wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cifs)


Let me tell you why I think this is cool technology and how it can save
your organization some money.  The wanscaler is a synchronous solution
in that you need a box at your data center and at each of your remote
branches that you want to use it at.  

We have come up with all of these cool ways to try and speed up delivery
of mandatory profiles but this box could potentially be the end all be
all to resolve the issues once and for. You see CIFS are file traffic on
a windows network.  What if you could in effect copy the profile or data
only once down to a box like this and all subsequent requests were
delivered locally at the site instead of across the lan. 


The box has some intelligence built into it that stores the files, and
will only download changes on subsequent requests.   In a thin client
environment this could reap some benefits if you are using a roaming
mandatory profile for the clients to log into the network in order to
authenticate and run the citrix client.  In a standard windows
environment that uses mandatory profiles where masses of people come in
the morning at the same time and logon at the same time, this could
dramatically improve the speed of logins. Anyways that is where I saw a
benefit for us because all of workstations login with the same user name
and get a dumb desktop that has a browser and citrix client. Pipes get
flooded in the morning and again in the afternoon when second shift
starts logging on.  Simply caching the profile could free up a lot of bw
for us. 


They mention CIFS but aren't selling the device saying it will speed up
logins. At least not yet.  The box claims to be transparent...they are
not kidding! I have yet to actually see a picture of the Citrix version
of it.  I am hoping at iForum.  It also was claimed you can get OC3
performance from your DS3!  I was promised an onsite demo at the seminar
I attended. Mark Templeton if you are listening I want the first one out
of the box! (after all we were the first customer on CPS 4, implementing
it the day it was released) WAH.


That being said I would be remiss if I did not point out that Cisco just
released a similar product (or at least news releases about a similar
product..seems also that this one is transparent when trying to find an
actual picture) called WAAS. Which stands for Wide area application
services. Apparently these are cards that you can plug right in to the
Cisco routers that do the same thing.  So I guess I have to eat my words
of a few weeks ago where I said that Citrix is hardly a competitor to
Cisco. The two companies now have a competitive technological device.
However l think that the Citrix box may be a hard sell in an all Cisco
shop though. Plugging a card into an existing router or switch is a
whole lot easier than trying to find more rack space at the head end and


Either way it is a win win for us consumers and the Baby Bells better
take note of this technology and embrace it as part of their package.
It makes a whole lot of sense to by a couple of devices to increase
bandwidth instead of purchasing additional bandwidth with reoccuring


Now if we could just get past that transparent issue and I could get my
hands on them.... WAH : )






Jim Kenzig <mailto:web%20at%20kenzig.com>  

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

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