thanks Serge, both messages made it. collecting tools: if anyone has any useful tools that go well with wily in various development domains they would be interested in sharing, please simply package it and send it to me. our tools collection is in need of rewamping. [i have been spending a lot of time with java in wily lately, and i think the only thing i would want in my toolkit is a *simple* java beautifier, not a whole *?@*#@!ing java massaging workshop...] oz