I feel strongly that renaming the titles will allow the group to feel that they are more aligned with the internet commerce industry, rather than a traditional software development company or technology department in a financial company. This is important as the culture of the organization and the work that we do does differ in these areas. From a compensation perspective, it actually allows me to do a better job since being a business analyst in the New York market means that the average compensation is weighted heavily in the financial industry where the compensation packages are just leagues ahead. Thanks for your inputs - greatly appreciated! Canice -----Original Message----- From: webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Shaw Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:49 PM To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [webproducers] Re: What do you call a group of [specific] Producers? Hi Canice, Is there a reason besides the hiring that you are looking to rename the titles? In my experience, titles are just that. If you spell out the duties in the job posting/job description that usually suffices. The issue is that there's still no standard as to what a Producer/Web Producer/Technical Producer does. Some companies it's one thing, and at others it's something else. So when trying to compare compensation, it's hard because not everyone defines the job the same. That said, your groups' tasks do align with "Producer" in general. Hope that helps... David On 7/17/07, Canice Lim <canice.lim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi there - > > I am new to this group - been looking around in the archives going=20 > through the discussions around Web & Technical Producers. > > We are a pure play online retail company and I currently have business > analysts and project managers that report to me and I do want to make=20 > a change in the title of their roles to XX Producer. > > We use the Scrum process to manage and develop web commerce projects,=20 > so therefore, we go through an iterative development process (UI, dev, > test) etc. every 2 weeks which has been working fantastically. As=20 > such, the need to have a traditional project manager in a team is not=20 > really necessary (those of you who are familiar with Agile methods=20 > will understand). I am in the process of cross-training the project=20 > managers and business analysts to do both and be effective at it. > > This brings me to the reason that I am posting this - I'd like to=20 > change the title of these roles to something Producer. After going=20 > through the archives, I still don't know what I should change the=20 > titles to: > > - Producer > - Web Producer > - Technical Producer > > Essentially, the role at a minimum would do/encompass the following:=20 > 1. Client-facing - internal and external. We have integrations with=20 > 3rd party service providers (e.g. Paypal, Google, Chat etc.) as well=20 > as alot of internal new product development. 2. Release planning with=20 > product owners (therefore, project management skills required). > 3. Business analysis - new featureset definition, impact analysis etc. > 4. Limited revenue/budget responsibilities - not necessary within the > organization. > 5. Work with resources external to the team (freelance UI designers, > graphic designers etc.) and coordinate dependencies. > > I think that it is important for me to make this change (of course=20 > with complete understanding from those who currently hold business=20 > analyst and pm roles) because I believe that something Producer more=20 > accurately represents their job scope and also reflects that we work=20 > in the ecommerce industry. Since I am also intending to hire in the=20 > next 6 months, I'd like to stabilize these before opening up=20 > positions. > > In addition to all of this, I also need to rename the group - any=20 > insights from anyone would be appreciated! > > Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks, > Canice > > > > -- > > > When out of office please set your subscription to VACATION MODE! > > Be sure to trim your posts and delete personal information (e.g.=20 > address and telephone numbers) if you do not want them in the public=20 > web archive. > > To unsubscribe send a blank message with unsubscribe in the subject to > webproducers- > request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (and be sure to reply to the confirmation=20 > e-mail) > > Manage your subscripton (digest, vacation mode, unsubscribe) at=20 > http://webproducers.org/join.html > > > > --=20 w: http://www.davidshaw.info -- When out of office please set your subscription to VACATION MODE! 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