[vicsireland] i e 8 rollback again
- From: "paul halligan" <tigerone@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:59:52 +0100
hi flor and paul j
sorry to repeat this, but due to 2 administrator accounts on this pc and
conflict i am back to i e 8 again.
could one of ye send me that run command that fixed the problem last time
round.
best
paul j----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
> Hi,
> Works here, as stated.
>
> http://www.threeschools.com
>
> - the word three not the digit.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerard Ellis" <gerry.ellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:34 AM
> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
>
>
>> Hi, Flor,
>>
>> I tried 3 times (once for each school - ha ha). Each time I got the
>> message:
>> Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
>>
>>
>> Any comments welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>> Gerry Ellis
>>
>> If you don't know where you're going,
>> How will you know when you get there?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx>
>> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:00 AM
>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
>>
>>
>>> Gerry,
>>>
>>> it does exist, actually. Go there. the reason I checked it out was
>>> because I was curious and had thought it was a possible error. .
>>> And it does offer many tutorials.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Gerard Ellis" <gerry.ellis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:13 PM
>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Michael
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that www.threeschools.com does not exist.
>>>>
>>>> Did you mean the tutorial section of the Worldwide Web Consortium
>>>> site?
>>>> www.w3schools.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> Gerry Ellis
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know where you're going,
>>>> How will you know when you get there?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Michael Lavin" <michael.lavin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:50 AM
>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mairead
>>>>>
>>>>> To add to Tony's very good advice, have a look at the SQL tutorial
>>>>> on http://www.threeschools.com
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact anyone out there interested in skilling up on computer
>>>>> languages would be well advised to have a look at this website -
>>>>> it's full of brilliant tutorials.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards and good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>> From: Tony.G.Murray@xxxxxx
>>>>> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:55:01 +0100
>>>>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mairead,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Access is a nice place to start. It is a friendly self
>>>>>> contained little Relational Database Management System.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Access (and most other Relational DBMS') are made up of
>>>>>> similar
>>>>>> concepts. In my original mail, when I discussed Microsoft SQL
>>>>>> Server I
>>>>>> described the two main ways of manipulating the Database and it's
>>>>>> contents; through SQL, and with the visual tools. Well, with
>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>> Access the same rules apply. The tools just have different names!
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> addition, there are all manner of friendly little Wizards which
>>>>>> help you
>>>>>> to create Queries, just like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following is from memory... and a pretty sozzled one at that.
>>>>>> Things
>>>>>> have a habit of changing names down the years and the versions,
>>>>>> but I
>>>>>> reckon the concepts are largely the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I know in Microsoft Access you can type SQL Code in to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 'Query View'. This is equivalent to the 'Query Analyser' I
>>>>>> described in
>>>>>> Microsoft SQL Server. It is basically a text editor so it is easy
>>>>>> to use
>>>>>> with Jaws. There'll be a run button somewhere, and maybe even a
>>>>>> 'Parse'
>>>>>> button which will check your SQL Code for errors... Always handy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The equivalent Visual Tool in Microsoft Access is called something
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> the 'Query Design Grid'. This could produce a challenge or two
>>>>>> with Jaws,
>>>>>> I am not sure. It's been many years since I've even seen an
>>>>>> Access
>>>>>> Database. I guess things like your Jaws Version and the version
>>>>>> of Access
>>>>>> you're using will play a part here. In the good old days when I
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> Access I had no problem with the Query Design View.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, that
>>>>>> is all I remember, aside from the fact that there were many
>>>>>> helpful
>>>>>> Wizards available to speed things up. In addition, there are
>>>>>> bound to be
>>>>>> Jaws Scripts out there to further simplify the Query Design View
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Access, maybe these were the ones you spoke about originally?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, the brilliant news is, that if you are good with SQL
>>>>>> Programming,
>>>>>> you probably won't have to use the Visual Tools; everything you
>>>>>> can do by
>>>>>> dragging and dropping etc can be achieved through good old
>>>>>> fashioned raw
>>>>>> SQL Code typed in to the Query View as described above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are lots of different sources online to learn basic SQL
>>>>>> Programming,
>>>>>> so it might be an idea for you to get a step ahead of the game
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> starting the module.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony Murray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internet Solutions,
>>>>>> AIB Enterprise Systems & Technology,
>>>>>> Block B0,
>>>>>> AIB Bankcentre,
>>>>>> Ballsbridge,
>>>>>> Dublin 4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T: +353 (0) 164 13801
>>>>>> E: tony.g.murray@xxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mairead O Mahony <maireadomahony@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent by: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> 09/09/2009 20:01
>>>>>> Please respond to vicsireland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> cc:
>>>>>> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: Using sql with jaws 8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone who replied to my email about using sql with
>>>>>> jaws.
>>>>>> At the moment I am checking out what Gui we will be using. As far
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> I am aware we will be using Sql with Microsoft access but I need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get that confirmed. Any other suggestions are greatly
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>> Mairead
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/9/09, Tony.G.Murray@xxxxxx <Tony.G.Murray@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi Mairead,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "I am using jaws 8 and would appreciate it if anyone could let
>>>>>> > me know
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> > definit if sql works with jaws. "
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > SQL (Structured Query Language) is a computer language used for
>>>>>> > manipulating relational Databases and their contents. Like a
>>>>>> > lot of
>>>>>> > computer programming languages, it is simply text which is
>>>>>> > interpreted
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> > the machine. So in that sense, yes SQL definitely works with
>>>>>> > Jaws.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Now then, SQL is often used in conjunction with a relational
>>>>>> > DBMS
>>>>>> > (Database Management System), which is basically an environment
>>>>>> > in which
>>>>>> > your relational database and the tools you use to manage/access
>>>>>> > it are
>>>>>> > living. There are lots of very widely used DBMS', like Oracle,
>>>>>> > SQL
>>>>>> > Server, MySQL, the list goes on and on and on. A lesser DBMS is
>>>>>> > Microsoft's Access, but this wouldn't be considered an
>>>>>> > enterprise DBMS;
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> > is limited in the data it can store. It's a nice way to learn
>>>>>> Relational
>>>>>> > Database methodologies etc, and is probably used behind some
>>>>>> > smaller web
>>>>>> > applications or in small office environments, but that's about
>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > When you say 'SQL' could you possibly be referring to SQL
>>>>>> > Server? This
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> > Microsoft's bigger DBMS, which is often just called 'SQL'. This
>>>>>> > is a
>>>>>> > pretty crazy way to refer to something like SQL Server, but
>>>>>> > that's
>>>>>> > unfortunately computing... init! For the rest of this mail, when
>>>>>> > I say
>>>>>> SQL
>>>>>> > I mean the computer language, and when I say SQL Server, I
>>>>>> > mean...
>>>>>> you've
>>>>>> > guessed it, SQL Server the Relational Database Management
>>>>>> > System!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you are indeed talking about Microsoft SQL Server, the news
>>>>>> > is good.
>>>>>> > I've used SQL Server 97/2000/2005 in my time. The SQL Server
>>>>>> > Tools
>>>>>> (which
>>>>>> > are part of the DBMS) allow you to do everything you could
>>>>>> > possibly want
>>>>>> > to do with a Database, or the data stored within one.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There are two major ways of accessing the Microsoft SQL Server
>>>>>> > Database.
>>>>>> > One is through SQL (and I mean the computer language remember),
>>>>>> > and the
>>>>>> > other is through a visual interface.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > SQL can be typed out in an editor provided as part of SQL
>>>>>> > Server, and
>>>>>> > executed against your database. This is very very accessible
>>>>>> > and easy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > use... AS easy as Notepad! The editor contained within SQL
>>>>>> > Server to do
>>>>>> > this is called 'Query Analyser', or something similar depending
>>>>>> > on the
>>>>>> > version of SQL Server you're using.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The other way is through the visual tool, called 'Enterprise
>>>>>> > Manager' or
>>>>>> > 'Management Studio', again depending on the version of SQL
>>>>>> > Server you're
>>>>>> > working with. This allows you to do everything you can do
>>>>>> > through SQL
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> > more, without having to actually know the language. It too is
>>>>>> > pretty
>>>>>> > accessible, when you get to know the environment. It's mainly
>>>>>> > tree
>>>>>> views,
>>>>>> > lists, menus... All the normal stuff Microsoft has got us all so
>>>>>> > used
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "I would also appreciate it if someone could
>>>>>> > let me know if I need to download scripts to increase the
>>>>>> > functionality
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > Sql."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > To be honest, I didn't know there were scripts available... but
>>>>>> > that's
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> > surprise! I'm not so well up on Jaws, even though I use it every
>>>>>> > day. If
>>>>>> > there are scripts available, and you are talking about SQL
>>>>>> > Server, I'm
>>>>>> > sure someone on here can help you to install them.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > All the above assumes that when you say 'SQL', you mean
>>>>>> > Microsoft's SQL
>>>>>> > Server. However, if you're not talking about SQL Server, I
>>>>>> > think you'll
>>>>>> > be safe enough when it comes to programming in SQL (the
>>>>>> > language). Once
>>>>>> > you know how to write SQL, you'll be able to access and use most
>>>>>> > Relational DBMS', like Oracle, Microsoft SQL Server, MySQL, all
>>>>>> > those.
>>>>>> SQL
>>>>>> > is simply a language used to access all sorts of relational
>>>>>> > databases...
>>>>>> > Kind of like a skeleton key! You can get in to any relational
>>>>>> > database
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> > you've a bit of SQL knowledge. Beautiful huh?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > To finish, I'll say that SQL is a nice language to learn. It
>>>>>> > looks very
>>>>>> > much like English; it is based on a bunch of keywords, some
>>>>>> > logical
>>>>>> > operators, and that's about it.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > For example, let's say you have a table in your database called
>>>>>> > UserInformationTable containing names and addresses.... The SQL
>>>>>> > to show
>>>>>> > you all the names in that table might look something like:
>>>>>> > SELECT FirstName, LastName FROM UserInformationTable;
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Not bad eh?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Best wishes,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Tony Murray
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Internet Solutions,
>>>>>> > AIB Enterprise Systems & Technology,
>>>>>> > Block B0,
>>>>>> > AIB Bankcentre,
>>>>>> > Ballsbridge,
>>>>>> > Dublin 4.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > T: +353 (0) 164 13801
>>>>>> > E: tony.g.murray@xxxxxx
>>>>>> >
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