O.k. so more like lift down! But we tried to use the toilet harness today! And she went first time, with the bag attached. She got huges treats for that one and tons of praise and a c/T but wow, didn't think it was that easy, smile. I like this gadget. Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved book in my hand, my limitations fall from me, my spirit is free. - Helen Keller