Gotcha. I did notice your reference of placement of the ssymbols above and
below the indicated text. Thanks again.
From: Donald Winiecki
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:39 AM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Integral Grade 1 Passage
The 'dot locator "for use"' (dots 5,5,123456) is kind of a flag that helps a
braille reader to properly recognize the symbol sequence that follow it (see
UEB 3.14).
This is often helpful when the following symbol sequence only uses lower dots,
because symbols that use only lower dots are somewhat more difficult to
recognize than symbols sequences that contain both upper and lower dots.
I often use the 'dot locator "for use"' when transcribing technical material
like computer programming code (say, in a textbook) to identify the beginning
and end of a long grade 1 passage.
In these situations I put the 'dot locator "for use"' and the grade 1 passage
indicator (dots 56,56,56) on a line of its own above the passage. I want to
separate the grade 1 passage indicator from the actual programming code so that
it does not change the formatting of the code itself. (And this desire to not
change the formatting is because the formatting of programming code is often
important for understanding the code, so we don't want to change it at all.)
I then put the 'dot locator "for use"' and the grade 1 terminator on a line of
its own immediately following the passage.
This same usage is displayed in the example in UEB 3.14, though in an
application different from computer programming.
I acknowledge that this takes up two additional lines, but it does so in order
to maintain the integrity of the text in-between.
_don
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 AM <jyandt.martin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes; I knew the one for “mention:, I just wanted confirmation on the “use”
one. Now for the really tricky question. I know that the dot locator “mention”
is to identify the locations for dot/braille placements. Exactly what is the
“use” symbol for? is it to indicate a suggestion of one sign over another?
Thanks again.
From: Donald Winiecki
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:35 AM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Integral Grade 1 Passage
Jerry,
Yes, dots 5,5,123456 is the "dot locator 'for use'".
However, in the BRF version of the Rules of UEB, the "dot locator 'for
mention'" is used in the place where the screen reader makes its error. The
"dot locator 'for mention'" is dots 46,123456.
_don
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 6:55 AM <jyandt.martin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for your patience in this. Also, jusst as a confirmation, the dot
locator position for “use” is dots 5, 5, 123456, correct?
Thanks again.
From: Donald Winiecki
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 6:58 AM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Integral Grade 1 Passage
Yes that's right!
The same symbol (dots 2346) is used for both a grade 2 'the' and for the
mathematical integral sign, and because your screen reader was missing the 'for
mention' symbol (in front of the grade 1 passage indicator) in the previous
line, the screen reader continued reading in grade 1 mode and so it mistakenly
read the grade 2 symbol for 'the' as an integral sign.
_don
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 5:46 AM <jyandt.martin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So, the actual word “integral” should not be there, and thus, be ignored?
Thanks to all.
From: Donald Winiecki
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:12 PM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Integral Grade 1 Passage
I just received an E-mail from someone who subscribes to this list but
who cannot currently reply. That individual has the answer to Jerry's question.
Here is the text from that person's report on the mysterious "integral grade 1
indicator":
"It’s a screen reader translation issue.
It would seem that the grade 1 passage shown with the dot locator on line
23 of the brf for print page 52 has affected the translation of the next line.
What is being read as 'Integral' is actually simply 'The,' as in '5.4.1 The
grade 1 passage indicator.' The program is reading this 'The' as though it were
uncontracted and thus an integral symbol."
_don
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:54 PM Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Apologies, but I don't find the word 'integral' in UEB 5.4.1 (either
the print or braille version).
_don
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 1:07 PM <jyandt.martin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Don:
Thanks for the reply. I understand all of the parameters of the grade
1 passage indicator. My question, however, relates to the word “integral”.
Perhaps this is just a term for what was explained previously; and if so,
please forgive my “not running on all eight”. Thanks again.
From: Donald Winiecki
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:10 PM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Integral Grade 1 Passage
Jerry,
Reading on print page 52 in BRF volume 2 of the Rules of UEB, I find
the grade 1 passage indicator specs starting at line 22. Line 23 contains the
actual passage indicator following the 'dot locator for mention' (dots
46,123456).
_don
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 11:52 AM Donald Winiecki
<dwiniecki@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Jerry,
In UEB parlance, a 'passage' is anything three 'symbols sequences'
or longer. When you have to specify a passage as containing only Grade 1
symbols you put a Grade 1 passage indicator (dots 56,56,56) at the beginning of
the passage, and the Grade 1 passage terminator (dots 56,3) at the end of the
passage.
No space should be inserted between the indicator and beginning of
the passage. No space should be inserted between the last symbol of the passage
and the passage terminator.
You should find the specifications for using a Grade 1 passage
indicator in UEB 5.4. This is on print page 52 in volume 2 of the BRF version
of the Rules of UEB.
HTH,
_don
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:44 AM <jyandt.martin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Morning all.
In going through the Rules of UEB 2013, Section 5.4.1,it mentions
an integral grade 1 passage indicator. However, in my copy of the brf files of
Volume 2, it does not explain as to what this is. Could someone please
enlighten me on this? Thanks much.
Jerry
