Hi Kathy and Margaret,
Many thanks for your help, Kathy. I knew it was because of standing alone that
the shortform wasn't being used in Duxbury, but it was not obvious that the
poetry line sign doesn't count (perhaps it should, as it is a line break -
equivalent to white space).
Unfortunately, RUEB section 15.1.2 does not cover this case and does not have
an example with a shortform next to a line sign. I think that would be a useful
addition.
With best regards,
James.
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Sent: 18 February 2016 12:37
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Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Inputting poetry line signs using Duxbury??
Hi Kathy
Thanks for this.
I was thinking that it would be acceptable to use the wordsigns and shortforms
with the poetry line sign.
Oooops!
Thanks!
Margaret
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Sent: 18 February 2016 12:32
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Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Inputting poetry line signs using Duxbury??
DBT has the translation correct.
It is applying the Standing Alone Rule for UEB, Rule 2.6. The poetry line sign
is not on the list and so wordsigns and shortforms may not be used when
adjoining the line sign.
If you analyse the Standing Alone Rule, the only symbols which can adjoin
wordsigns and shortforms are punctuation signs in their normal grammatical
position. The line sign is not punctuation as such.
You will similarly notice that Wordsigns and shortforms also may not adjoin the
forward or backward slash as these are considered symbols rather than
punctuation.
Kathy
Kathy Riessen
Coordinator Alternative Print Production
South Australian School for Vision Impaired
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From: ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
Matthew Horspool <mhorspool@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2016 22:40
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Inputting poetry line signs using Duxbury??
Hi Margaret,
The DBT code for this is [nr]. However, it too affects contractions in the word
either side unless a space is inserted before and after, which is not
desirable. I am not sure whether George or any DBT developers are on this list
- if you are and you would like steps to reproduce the "problem", try
translating
your[nr]yours
and
your [nr] yours
and observe the results.
I am not sure whether this is due to a bug in DBT or an oversight (or
presumably an oversight, anyway) in the UEB rules. I am on holiday at the
moment but I will check the rulebook when I get back to school if no one else
gets there first!
Matthew
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Sent: 18 February 2016 11:01
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Inputting poetry line signs using Duxbury??
Greetings UEB Duxbury Users
I am trying to put a poetry line sign (dots 4-5-6) into a document to represent
poetry in a linear format.
How are you inserting the poetry line sign into your documents?
If I insert the code manually (using q~), this affects the contraction of the
word next to it (eg "friend" becomes friENd).
Anyone know of a way around this?
Appreciation in advance.
Margaret
(Bradshaw)
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