Hugh According to Covell. Where the dark border of the shoulder dips in is an alienaria and shoulder is basically straight on the amicaria. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Hugh McGuinness <hdmcguinness@xxxxxxxxx> To: tn-moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: ncsc-moths <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 7:05 am Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Probole sp. Until this genus is revised, I juts call them all one species. Dave Wagner says he knows of no differences in the larvae, and he also suspects that nepiassaria is simply another phenotype in a variable species. Does anybody have any characters that they can use to separate amicaria from alienaria? Hugh On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:07 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I can't decide which one this is. The lines on most of the species seem a lot more angular in places that the lines on this one although that may be due to the angles the moths were photographed at. http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6575.jpg Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures http://www.finishflagfarms.com