Jean, There's lots of variation in Harnessed Tiger Moth - Hodges#8169 (Apantesis phalerata). I suspect both of your moths are 8169. Larry McDaniel Johnson City, TN From: innisfreehorses@xxxxxxxxxx To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tn-moths] Harnessed moth Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:31:05 -0500 I have a question about Harnessed Moths. How much variation is there in this species? The attached pic shows two moths. The one at the bottom is a Harnessed Moth. The one at the top is not worn at all, yet has no white lines on the trailing edge of the forewing. There are only three major white lines. Also, it had more red than the other Harnessed Moths that were present during last summer. Maybe this is a Grammia? Jean Obrist Cocke Co, TN _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/