Yes, they should be photo'd around the reniform. Hugh On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:55 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Doug, > > I don't know if there's a standard but I've been told to get photos of the > reniform spot, along the costa out from the reniform, and near the apex. I've > attached pics of one I shot today. As you can see, the scales are different > in each location. > > They overwinter as adults so whenever it's 50 or above at around sunset, > you should expect to see them. For every one I see at the lights, I'll see > 5 on the bait. > > Ken > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Doug Bruce <s137@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > *To:* tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Sent:* Sunday, March 9, 2014 8:22 PM > *Subject:* [tn-moths] Re: Eupsilia > > Ken, > > Is there a standard location(s) on the forewing for microscopic > examination of the scales of Eupsilia spp? Or does it matter? > > MPG provides a key for Eupsilia, but doesn't address location: > http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/MothTalkDownload/MothTalk010.htm > > There was a Eupsilia submission to bugguide from Maryland yesterday, so > they're likely flying here soon. > > ~ Doug > Anderson Co., TN > > *From:* kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:20 AM > *To:* tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* [tn-moths] Re: Eupsilia > > It would be great if others got involved in taking these close-up shots > so we could compare notes. I've heard that the reniform on E. vinulentais > usually flat-ish on the bottom so if that spot is round, it's probably > not vinulenta. I haven't examined enough to know if this holds true but > others that have examined hundreds say it does. Those others are in > Michigan so it's possible what they are seeing is a regional variation. > I've also noticed that vinulenta has a dirtier look to it. Again, I > haven't examined enough to say that holds true. > > Ken Childs > Henderson, TN > Chester County > > http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths > http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" < > ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > *Sent:* Friday, February 21, 2014 12:54 PM > *Subject:* [tn-moths] Eupsilia > > I've been trying to ID the Eupsilia spp. I've been seeing here by > taking close-up shots of their wing scales. It turns out that most of what > I've been calling Eupsilia vinulenta are most likely a species that for now > is known as Eupsilia sp. "near Sidus". > > By Looking at these photos, you can see why Eupsilia vinulenta is called > the Straight-Toothed Sallow. > > Ken Childs > Henderson, TN > Chester County > > http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths > http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > > > > -- Hugh McGuinness Washington, D.C.