Thanks, Hugh! In case anyone wants to know what the underside of A. ovata looks like, here you go. http://tinyurl.com/Ovate-Dagger Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 http://www.finishflagfarms.com ________________________________ From: Hugh McGuinness <hdmcguinness@xxxxxxxxx> To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:56 PM Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Acronicta help needed I would personally call the first increta, the second ovata and the third haesitata, but I'm pretty sure LaFontaine and Wagner would call the first ovata b/c of the brown reniform. I can't believe that two phenotypic traits (the non ovate shape of the basal area and the dark triangle at the anal angle) vary between species, while the third trait (brown reniform) doesn't. Hugh On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: All 3 were one the small side....TL around 2cm or maybe less. > > >I think these first 2 may be A. ovata. >http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6271.jpg >http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6287.jpg > > >I'm not sure on this one. I found too many close matches to call it on my own. >http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/IMG_6275.jpg > >Ken Childs >Henderson, TN >Chester County > >http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 >http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > >