Some weeks ago I had a discussion with Steve on his FOY reports. My bottom line was that FOY was not enough. He had remarked in a previous post about wanting to determine early and late dates for counties, peak times, patterns, etc. statewide. In order to do this, you have to have more information than FOY. We need FOY, PEAKS, TRENDS, LOY, and more. When I looked at Steve's summary of 2008 sightings, my first analysis was that there were only three Giant Swallowtails seen in the state in 2008, and only seven species of butterflies seen in Davidson County all year. Of course, both are incorrect, but the substantiating data otherwise is not there. I know that it says FOY, but there were only seven FOY species of Davidson County in 2008, thus, only seven species. Yes, I know within a month, but that is not justifiable in that there are not enough observers to report such within a month. What here is more important is that the species is present in that county on that date, no matter how long after the first date. Over a few years, patterns will develop. I am all with Steve about reporting observations to Butterflies I've Seen, http://www.nababis.org/servlets/Sightings. What few I have here at Kentucky Manor are reported. What is needed now is not limiting reporting, but expanding reporting. At the end of each season, a summary should be compiled and with each succeeding season's perception on each species modified with the additional data. It has been like that in birds for over 40+ years I have been involved with that subject. Michael Lee Bierly, Nashville, Davidson County, TN -----Original Message----- From: tn-butterflies-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tn-butterflies-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allan Trently Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:39 PM To: Tennessee Butterflies Subject: [TN-Butterflies] Re: FOY: Cabbage White in Hamilton County, 3/8/09 I was wondering if FOY reports would be more useful if they were from regions. It could be from simple regions such as east, central and west TN or something more biogeographical like Blue Ridge, Ridge and Valley, Coastal Plain, Highland Rim... The second would be more useful maybe in a biological sense but may discourage people from reporting since they may not know their region. Just a thought. Allan Trently ajtcorax@xxxxxxxxxxx _____ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for HotmailR. See how. <http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGT X_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme>