Chatters, There has been some discussion as to the size differences of the various loons that are present at this time at Pace point. I thought the following statistics might be interesting. I gleaned most of this from a couple of books some time back when I was interested in the size differences I was seeing in Common Loons while looking for Pacific Loons. It seems a lot of small Common can be as small or even smaller than a Pacific Loon, so a very small loon needs to be checked out for other indications of species before jumping to Pacific due only to size. The average sizes by weight listed for the species in Sibley's (the best part of his book is that he gives weights!) is really great, from 3.1 pounds for the Red-throated, to 3.7 pounds for the Pacific, to 9 pounds for the Common, and then 11.8 pounds for the Yellow-billed. I had often run across variances in Common Loons in the field time and time again and found that they vary really big time according to literature with some male Commons almost triple the weight of the smallest female. Male Common Loons average 30% larger by weight than female and even overlap some small female Yellow-billed Loons, although the avg. YBLO female is larger than the avg. male Common Loon by about 35%. There is no doubt that our immature Yellow-billed at Pace is large and does overpower the Common Loons it is with but you should have seen the 2nd winter bird, it appeared at all times much larger than any of the many Commons it was seen with. Everyone that has seen the two birds agree that the first bird was huge. Even those that had seen the bird in Georgia said our bird appeared much larger. The YBLO evidently takes at least 2 years to mature and that may explain a lot of the apparent size differences. I pulled out some old figures that I looked up some while back on Common Loons and found some interesting results. Large male Common Loons can be 77% larger than the smallest males and large females can be almost 4 TIMES larger than the smallest adult females by weight, but the difference between the avg. sexes has the male only 30% larger than the avg. female but that is still a big difference. In Yellow-billed Loons the largest males are 80% larger than the smallest males with the large females larger than the smallest males by up to almost 10% and these females are 57% larger than the smallest females. The avg. male Yellow-billed is only 5% larger than the avg. female. If you have the smallest female Common Loon next to the largest male Yellow-billed Loon, he could be an amazing 4-1/2 times as large by weight!!!!!!! Good Birding!!! Jeff R. Wilson OL'COOT / TLBA Bartlett, TN =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net is owned by the Tennessee Ornithological Society Neither the society(TOS) nor its moderator(s) endorse the views or opinions expressed by the members of this discussion group. Moderator: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN wallace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================