Sadly it's rare science beats politics. Usually a politician gets an idea might come from various sources but usually some rich blighter they met at a dinner party that doesn't really have a clue, just loads of money and serfs that make it for them. The politician works on that idea, and arguments not with scientific basis, but that seem plausible, and will be plausible to the public and boost their political career, no sense of science, justice, right or wrong comes into it. By the time the scientist knows about it, it's too late, the politician has self professed them self the technical expert among politicians and isn't prepared to look at anything a scientist says. We need to get to politicians before they get that seed idea going in their grey matter, but sadly scientists live in laboratories and rarely get to dine with politicians. We probably also need to find controversial politicians with the confidence to stand up and buck the system. Regs Mark Dr. Mark Vaughan Ph'D., B.Eng. M0VAU Managing Director Vaughan Industries Ltd., reg in UK no 2561068 Water Care Technology Ltd, reg in UK no 4129351 Addr Unit3, Sydney House, Blackwater, Truro, Cornwall, TR4 8HH UK. Phone/Fax 44 (0) 1872 561288 RSGB DRM111 (Cornwall) -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: 29 June 2009 23:00 To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: FW: Re: The compliance with EU materials dictates and the precautionary principal On 23 Jun 2009, at 23:56, John Burke wrote: > ... I did indeed through RoHSUSA > Pushback publicly challenge and warn the EU of the consequences of > reliability in switcing to lead free which is a matter of record in > their > consultants reports...... Well done, and with ample justification, well grounded in knowledge. Science deserves to beat politics. regards, Rod rod.dalitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx