Hi I have now managed to download thunder, I had to uninstall download express, that program wouldn't download thunder at all, ie7 got it ok, strange problem. I've now got to reinstall download express as it helps as I'm only on a dialup connection. Regards Adrien You can get me off list at adriencollins06@xxxxxxx Speakon is a free fully self-voicing accessible multimedia program for the visually impaired, find out more by downloading the software from: http://www.a-technic.net/speakon.htm. You can join the speakon user group by sending a blank e-mail to: speakon-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Thunder Screen Reader e-mail list. To find out more about Thunder Screen Reader:- <http://www.screenreader.net/> To unscubscribe from the list, click on the link below:- [mailto:thunder-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] If the above link doesn't work, send a blank message to:- <thunder-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> With unsubscribe in the subject field. The list Archives can be found at:- <//www.freelists.org/archives/thunder/> To e-mail the moderators send a message to: <thunder-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>