[thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
- From: "Serge Tumanyan" <SLTumanyan@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:46:21 +0400
Hello, Roger.
Home users of Thunder will benefit a lot from good scripting support. All the
users of screen readers usually benefit a lot from third party scriptors since
they script the applications that are not scripted by the company producing the
screen reader. The better life for end-scriptor not working for your company -
the better life of end-user, trust me.
By the way, one more thing to enhance - I have quite forgot about it - the
pitch of active synthesizer is not in the GUI of Thunder and this makes life
more complicated for the simple end-user.
With best regards,
Serge Tumanyan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
> OK. Totally understand and accept, of course. I, we, are not techies and
> just want to do things that are useful to our home users of Thunder.
>
> Roger.
>
> Roger Wilson-Hinds
> Director
> Screenreader.net CIC
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
> Sent: 21 June 2009 22:45
> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>
> Hello, Roger.
>
> I would be glad to tell you about this, but the problem is that I do not
> know what application I shall decide to script next and why. I am not a
> contractor for Thunder scripts, I am simply a scriptor who is doing what is
> or could be interesting to him - so I really do not know what would be
> interesting to me next time - no obligations, no plans just working on
> things that are interesting to me. Now Total Commander is an interesting
> application for me, but I can loose interest to it tomorrow for example or
> two months later.
>
> The suggestions I have told are mostly general and can help me and other
> scriptors to make scripts for most applications present on the market.
>
> With best regards,
> Serge Tumanyan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:42 PM
> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>
>
>> Yes you have, of course. But I still don't know what applications etc you
>> want to script and what you think users will need. You could say iTunes,
>> Messenger, etc.
>>
>> Roger.
>>
>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>> Director
>> Screenreader.net CIC
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>> Peterborough
>> PE2 6YT
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>> Sent: 19 June 2009 21:17
>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>
>> Hello, Roger.
>>
>> May be I am wrong, but it seems to me that I have provided more then
>> accurate and exact description of functions that I am lacking in Thunder
> as
>> a scriptor, haven't I?
>>
>> The letter you have answered is simply an add on to my previous letters on
>> this topic.
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Serge Tumanyan.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:21 PM
>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>
>>
>>> Hi Serje,
>>>
>>> I am still hoping to hear what specific things you want Thunder to do
>> which
>>> it does not do now. Of lcourse I like the plug-ins idea but which ones
> and
>>> to what purpose for our users.
>>>
>>> Have a great weekend.
>>>
>>> Roger.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>>> Sent: 08 June 2009 13:12
>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>
>>> Roger,
>>>
>>> if we are talking about the ideas, I also would suggest to add an ability
>> to
>>> enhance Thunder through not only scripts - it one side of enhancements,
>> but
>>> also through the plugins development. for instace imagine: you can write
> a
>>> dll that can do some work and in addition you can write a script that can
>>> perform another part of work. If Thunder could have andstandard API for
>>> plugin development this could boost the functionality a lot.
>>>
>>> To distinguish between the plugins - the name of the plugin can match the
>>> name of the application as script files do now.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Serge Tumanyan.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is it possible you have a list of practical things you would like
> Thunder
>>> to
>>>> do that it does not do currently. It would be great to build such a list
>>> and
>>>> work through it over time. For instance, Total Commander: Someone may
>> have
>>>> had a go at this one in the past. What won't Thunder do here at present?
>>
>>>>
>>>> We might even be able to get a ialog going between scripters and the
>>>> developer if we can put together a few good ideas which will help users.
>
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day.
>>>>
>>>> Roger.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>>>> Director
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>>>> Sent: 08 June 2009 10:16
>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [thunder] Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Roger.
>>>>
>>>> I simply like to make anything work better. Now I am working on JAWS
>>> scripts
>>>> for Total Commander file manager and wanted also to make similar scripts
>>> for
>>>> Thunder, but ran into trouble due to the reasons I have already
>> mentioned.
>>>> It does not mean that I shall develop scripts only for Total Commander -
>>> now
>>>> I am interested in developing such scripts, a year later I may be
>>> interested
>>>> to develop some other scripts and so on.
>>>>
>>>> One more thing I would like to see in Thunder as a end-scriptor is the
>>>> ability to use SendMessage and PostMessage functions through some kind
> of
>>> a
>>>> wrapper - sometimes it is more effective then using MSAA. And having a
>>>> wrapper for some interface creating functions like creating windows or
>>>> adding to such windows some controls would really helpfull. On one hand
>>> you
>>>> will not be forced to make Thuncer more complicated then it is, on
>> another
>>>> hand an end scriptor can decide if he needs to use some additional
>>> interface
>>>> windows for some of user settings if needed. Say, an starting user is
>>> using
>>>> a simple Thuncer but a more professional user could want to use some
>>>> complicated scripts from third party scriptors and will be able to have
>>>> enhanced functionality for his needs.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards,
>>>> Serge Tumanyan.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38 PM
>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Serge. Most helpful and I will pass this on, of course. It
>>> would
>>>>> help me to know what you want to achieve, what scripts you want to
>> create
>>>>> and, from the user point of view, what benefits there will be?
>>>>>
>>>>> We do appreciate your willingness to work with Thunder. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>>>>> Director
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>>>>> Peterborough
>>>>> PE2 6YT
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>>>>> Sent: 07 June 2009 21:58
>>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Roger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some of my thoughts about what could be good to add to Thunder
>>>> from
>>>>> scripting side to increase functionality for the scriptors.
>>>>> 1. The ability to get an MSAA object from the focused window.
>>>>> 2. The ability to get MSAA object from any window by its handle.
>>>>> 3. To wrap window handling functions from WUI such as GetFocus,
>> SetFocus,
>>>>> GetWindowName, GetWindowText and similar.
>>>>> 4. Adding the ability to use JScript together with VBScript.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this will be realized - you will benefit from third party scripts
>>>>> developed. I ran into serious trouble writing scripts without these
>>>>> functions and abilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>> Serge Tumanyan.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:26 PM
>>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Andrew. Roger here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please it would help greatly if you were willing to be more specific
>>>> about
>>>>>> how Thunder is falling behind. I try to keep up with NVDA too but
> don't
>>>>> see
>>>>>> that they have made significant progress in accessing MS Office or the
>>>> web
>>>>>> etc. I would like to be able to talk to someone who uses NVDA all the
>>>> time
>>>>>> as their main screenreader as our Thunder users do. The people I hear
>>>> from
>>>>>> just use it as a backup for JAWS. Nothing wrong there, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what should we be doing? Over the Autumn we plan to improve access
>>> to
>>>>>> the web with both WebbIE and IE. Also, as we get funding, we want to
>>>>>> increase the number of available languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Going back to NVDA, I can't see how huge progress can be made without
> a
>>>>>> scripting option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your comments will be very helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a good weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>>>>>> Director
>>>>>> Screenreader.net CIC
>>>>>> 7 The Rookery
>>>>>> Orton Wistow
>>>>>> Peterborough
>>>>>> PE2 6YT
>>>>>> Tel 01733 234441
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Andrew Ireland
>>>>>> Sent: 06 June 2009 20:57
>>>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I totally agree, I do not see the point of having the very basic
>> control
>>>>>> panel on the desktop all the time. Surely it would make perfect sense
>>> to
>>>>>> hide it to the system tray, and set a hot key up to bring it back on
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding UAC, I guess the only way to find out is to try it, if I get
>> a
>>>>>> chance I will have a look at that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't really looked at Thunder for sometime, as I feel it is
>> falling
>>>>>> behind, as NVDA is now streets a head!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Cussick
>>>>>> Sent: 06 June 2009 20:50
>>>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [thunder] Thunder and Uac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if anyone knows if thunder works with Uac?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nvda does but would like to know if thunder does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also ask you all what you think of thunders control panel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been asking for years if it's possible to put an option to hide
>
>>>>>> the control panel to the system tray!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would seem that I'm not the only one who would covint this feature,
>
>>>>>> so come on all as your moderator I urge you to give your thoughts on
>>>>>> this feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>> Kevin Cussick.
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