Hi Roger, Firstly, I am not saying that Thunder isn't good for what it does, however, you need internet Explorer Support, as text only browsers just aren't necessary now a days. I don't wish to get into a argument about what screen reader is best, however, you really don't appear to be understanding what "Windows + D" actually does. "Left Windows Key + D is a toggle that switches focus between the currently focused program and the desktop. In other words, it just hides the program temporarily. Personally, I'd like to see Thunder hidden to the system tray, with the option to keep it on screen depending on the user. All the best -- Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Wilson-Hinds Sent: 07 June 2009 15:27 To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac. Hello Andrew. Roger here. Please it would help greatly if you were willing to be more specific about how Thunder is falling behind. I try to keep up with NVDA too but don't see that they have made significant progress in accessing MS Office or the web etc. I would like to be able to talk to someone who uses NVDA all the time as their main screenreader as our Thunder users do. The people I hear from just use it as a backup for JAWS. Nothing wrong there, of course. So what should we be doing? Over the Autumn we plan to improve access to the web with both WebbIE and IE. Also, as we get funding, we want to increase the number of available languages. Going back to NVDA, I can't see how huge progress can be made without a scripting option. Your comments will be very helpful. Have a good weekend. Roger. Roger Wilson-Hinds Director Screenreader.net CIC 7 The Rookery Orton Wistow Peterborough PE2 6YT Tel 01733 234441 -----Original Message----- From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Ireland Sent: 06 June 2009 20:57 To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac. Hi Kevin, I totally agree, I do not see the point of having the very basic control panel on the desktop all the time. Surely it would make perfect sense to hide it to the system tray, and set a hot key up to bring it back on screen. Regarding UAC, I guess the only way to find out is to try it, if I get a chance I will have a look at that. I haven't really looked at Thunder for sometime, as I feel it is falling behind, as NVDA is now streets a head! All the best -- Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick Sent: 06 June 2009 20:50 To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [thunder] Thunder and Uac. Hi all, I wonder if anyone knows if thunder works with Uac? Nvda does but would like to know if thunder does. I would also ask you all what you think of thunders control panel? I have been asking for years if it's possible to put an option to hide the control panel to the system tray!! It would seem that I'm not the only one who would covint this feature, so come on all as your moderator I urge you to give your thoughts on this feature. Thanks in advance. Kevin Cussick. -- Thunder Screen Reader e-mail list. 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