[THIN] Re: was Wyse Rapport
- From: "John A. Vorchak" <jvorchak@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:39:06 -0400
Agreed, Steve,
There are definitely some environments where an appliance-like device is
definitely a good fit, I just do not believe that it is for most
businesses -- today -- and not for everyone in the company all of the
time (e.g. CAD users, graphic artists/marketing, etc. where an XPE/NTe
solution would fit well -- even through SBC). In five years, I think
that this will change dramatically and a CE-like OS (Blackcomb or next
generation) will be the OS to have. But most businesses are not quite
ready to go fully thin yet and this is really where the benefits come
into play. I think that the overwhelming majority of business managers
out there could be convinced of the fiscal benefits of SBC, but the
reality is that most of them think of an entire infrastructure change as
being too drastic and risky today, but doing it over time and with baby
steps is the right way to go for them and they look like heroes instead
of risk-takers. Giving these business managers the ability to have a
mixed environment that can transition over to a full-blown SBC
environment will ease their minds a little bit and make them a little
more apt to go .NET/New Moon/Citrix all the way in say five years... My
belief is that is where MS is going right now by introducing the stuff
that is coming with .NET
John Vorchak
Vorchak Software
Custom Windows XP Embedded and
Windows NT Embedded Components and Solutions
jvorchak@xxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Stephen Greenberg
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:09 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: was Wyse Rapport
I have the utmost respect for both Jim and John but I do want to point
out
that while an embedded NT/XP solution is a great fit for some
environments
you might be overstating it a bit! My point is this- the more you stuff
into the desktop device the less you are doing Server Based Computing.
While
Altiris might be a very elegant tool for managing these devices, you are
still running and maintaining applications locally. Before you dismiss
CE
based devices keep in mind that all you ever have to do to them is set
them
up and perhaps make some small changes over the life cycle of the
device.
The CE based managment software that is out there is great and does this
easily, Rapport is not a fair comparison to these tools!
Regards,
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of John A. Vorchak
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:08 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Wyse Rapport
I am not certain what the current status is of NetX releasing a CE based
product, but I can say with certainty why that they did not when I was
CIO at NetX -- CE is absolutely the wrong solution for most
environments. As the Internet becomes more and more invasive into
business, a real browser is necessary, something that CE does not
deliver. Also, some folks have a need for applications that do not work
well on server-based computing (e.g. Terminal Emulators that you already
have licenses that are bought and paid for and won't work on CE...),
some have a need for fast full color through direct client-server, some
have a need custom applications at the local level, some folks have to
have peripherals or PCI cards, some folks simply want to be able to
migrate their systems whenever needed to whatever they need (NTe -> XPE,
NTe -> Windows 2000, etc.) CE does not deliver the full functionality
of the Win-32 API and therefore cannot run all applications, support all
standard peripherals, bring just about any print driver down, etc. CE
is also much less secure than NT Embedded or XP Embedded on many
different levels. Although some (the dominant CE vendors, e.g. Wyse)
will have you believe that CE is more secure because you don't have the
same access abilities that you ~can~ with NT/XP, it is much less secure
and not included in many sensitive installations due to that fact alone.
NT/XP can be locked down so much if the situation calls for it that it
can be even more limiting than CE, just ask any other of the
profile/policy junkies like me that are on this list.
CE does work very well for some things, don't get me wrong, but
controlling a Coke machine is not the same as a desktop computer OS...
As far as the Altiris product, NetX is delivering Deployment Solution
5.5 with their products last I heard and they are the same products as
Altiris sells direct or through VARs.
p.s. - as Jim would let you know, yes I am always this long winded...
;-)
Good luck,
John Vorchak
Vorchak Software
Custom Windows XP Embedded and
Windows NT Embedded Components and Solutions
jvorchak@xxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Rosemary Sarkis
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:33 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Wyse Rapport
Jim
Netx seems to be limiting in the amount of models - ie I couldn't see a
CE
version which was what we were looking at. We basically wish to have a
local browser + 3270 emulator running on CE. Is it possible or
recommended
to get the best of both worlds, ie use a Wyse terminal (for the range
they
have) but use Altiris to manage the unit??
What do you think?
Rose
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