I found it to be extremely easy! I never touched ESX before and had VM's up and P2V's (using VMWare P2V) in under 1 hour (not counting the P2V time itself), after it installed. I didn't need to go to the shell for any of it (granted I am familiar with Linux systems, but didn't need to use that knowledge to get running) I think the most confusing part up the install is partitioning. The defaults from the ESX 2.5.2 installer are just not good and far from optimal. I read some posts on VMTN Forums to get the right info. I hear the ESX 3 installer will have actually optimal partition sizing defaults based on your total disk space. There's been some stuff I've had to do in shell because of need to edit VMX files, or to untar an update and run it, but the install notes make it really easy to follow to do that. I could see someone using ESX, in production, and never needing to touch the shell. Disclaimer: I haven't had to setup a SAN (or NAS in ESX 3) just yet, so I can't speak for what think can't be done for that in the web interface. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Howarth Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:10 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Speaking of VM... in a word yes, but it is a fairly steep learning curve. as it has the look and feel of UNIX. that said you can do the majority of admin tasks via their web based admin tool. I have have just installed a two node DL380 dual proc/dual core server attached to a MSA1000. it is currently hosting six servers at more that adequate speed (ie. no users complaints;-D) and both nodes are not even breathing heavy never mind sweating. In my humble opinion it rocks On 22/06/06, Roger Riggins <roger.riggins@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Does ESX blow away the other VMWare versions in performance? I've installed VMWare Workstation just to test it and it's slower than molasses. Of course I don't have any training and haven't wrenched on it a whole lot, but the VMs truly are slow, especially if I try to get more than two running. I have it running on newer server hardware. :/ Thanks, Roger Riggins Network Administrator Lutheran Services in Iowa w: 319.859.3543 c: 319.290.5687 http://www.lsiowa.org <http://www.lsiowa.org/> -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:19 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Which way to go... I'm surprised no one has mentioned Virtuozzo... VMWare is great, but if majority of the stuff is W2k3 and/or linux, why virtualize the hardware when you only need to virtualize the OS. Joe On 6/22/06, Selinger, Stephen < SSelinger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I couldn't agree more. It is truly amazing how many server run at 5% all day every day. If you are refreshing a bunch of servers the ROI on VMWARE ESX Server is an easy sell. Let me know if you need more details as I could go on and on...:) -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Mann Sent: June 21, 2006 8:48 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] RE: [THIN] Re: Which way to go... I'd go with 2 dual-core processors as well. To be honest, when I think server, I don't even think single CPU these days, it doesn't even pop into my head. Dual-core is just a bonus on top of it all. With that in mind, I have a lot of servers that are largely wasted with two single-core 2.8-3.2ghz Xeon processors.. But, that's why we are going into into server consolidation with VMWare, it solves the wasted hardware problem for most (not all) wasted resources. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Adam.Baum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:04 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Which way to go... Assume everything. We're looking at a technology refresh and we tend to choose one standard model to purchase for the bulk of our servers. adam "Selinger, Stephen" < SSelinger@xxxxxx <mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxx> To .ca> <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: cc thin-bounce@freel ists.org <http://ists.org/> Subject [THIN] Re: Which way to go... 06/21/2006 03:22 PM Please respond to thin@xxxxxxxxxxxx g It really depends on what the role of the server is going to be? I am assuming a Citrix server? -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Adam.Baum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: June 21, 2006 3:09 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Which way to go... All, If you were buying new server, would you go a dual CPU setup or a single dual-core? Why? I am specing out our new server platform. I've read all sorts of benchmarks and such, but they all tend to pit a dual core vs a single CPU. Not quite a fair matchup. adam ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************ This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipient. 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