I have a few Citrix servers on VMware (about 15) Not having a very good time.............slow and reduced load Regards Johan Martens <johan.martens@xxxxxxx> wrote: What exactly does 'snappiness' means? Best regards... Johan Martens Agdadrift avdelningen. Agda Lön AB Långskeppsgatan 9, 262 71 Ängelholm Tel 0431-44 94 00 Fax 0431-160 13 mailto:johan@xxxxxxx www.agda.se ________________________________ Från: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx genom Steve Greenberg Skickat: on 2007-09-19 18:35 Till: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Ämne: [THIN] Re: Virtualizing Citrix Boxes Exactly, "snappiness" is very often perceived as worse on VM. Even when there is plenty of cycles and RAM available the user experience is that VM instances of PS feel a bit laggy.... Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Wood Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:11 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Virtualizing Citrix Boxes Sorry - Is it that they are reporting that performance and 'snappiness' is better than on raw hardware or not? I'm interested in what you were saying I just couldn't work out if the users were reporting that its just a little bit worse (on the VM) - and did that problem become more acute when you ramped up the users? -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: 19 September 2007 16:59 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Virtualizing Citrix Boxes Not sure where the "not" would be, but I do agree that you could get 10 vm servers on that hardware with the only comment that the users counts per vm would be fairly low -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Wood Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:41 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Virtualizing Citrix Boxes Should there be a 'not' in that last sentence..or not? -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: 19 September 2007 16:43 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Virtualizing Citrix Boxes I would agree with the 10-ish number, but the per user count on each vm server would on the lower side in this scenario. PS on VM is cool for all the consolidation benefits and we have good results in smallish environments. We have found that overall users report noticeably overall performance and "snappiness" than on raw hardware especially when you ramp the user counts up into the hundreds and higher. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chad.M Schneider Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:43 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Virtualizing Citrix Boxes Rough estimate, we are using similar hardware....@ 10 +/-. >>> jon.e.luchette@xxxxxxxxx 9/19/2007 9:35 AM >>> I know it is almost impossible to say without knowing more information, but does anybody have any good "rule of thumb" numbers to expect for how many Citrix servers can be consolidated onto an ESX 3.x server? I have an ESX 3.0.2 Server with 16GB of RAM and 2 Quad Core CPU's with SAN Storage. We are going to run Vmware's Capacity Planner tool to get more information about the Citrix servers, but for now, how many normal Citrix Presentation Servers would you expect to be able to run as virtual machines on this hardware configuration? Just a guestimate would be fine for now... 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