[THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
- From: "Bray, Donovan (ESC)" <BrayD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:58:39 -0700
I've had the same experience with McAfee, we then used CA that we had
licensed via Novell, then attempted a migration to Panda (what a joke), And
finally decided that it was worth the money and went with Symantec.
CA's centralized management while it has it, isn't very good. Unicenter had
been tried and discarded, the only thing this employer had kept was the CA
AV. We are now deploying Landesk for workstation management and Symantec
Corp for AV. I've never had an opportunity to try Trend so I can't comment
on it, though I've heard some good things about it.
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From: Steve Snyder [mailto:kwajalein@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:10 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
We use McAfee on about 1600 desktops with epo - it's truly the most
pervasive virus I've ever seen. On the client it is a major cpu hog, causes
lots of apps to run funny including ica client v9 (greg can shed more light
on this), there's a known issue with crapping out the search function on
2000/xp (maybe they'll fix it some day), in short, it chokes your PC into
lethargy just like a virus would. I'd dump it in a heartbeat for Symantec or
Trend if I was allowed to. I've heard reports that McAfee eats chldren too,
but I've yet to confirm those.
I've always had decent luck deploying both trend and symantec - it's been a
couple of years since I've used them but back then Symantec gave you much
more granular control over the clients than Trend did. Both behaved well on
the client. Symentec was easier to push out, Trend had to be installed at
the desktop (remember, that was a couple of years ago, it may be different
now).
As an alternative, some people like CA eTrust, but I've no clue as to what
the centralized management is like. Considering that they sell Unicenter,
you'd think that they have it covered.
On 9/10/05, Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
That's probably why. SMB products are typically priced much cheaper, even
if they are the same exact thing. My prices are not for the SMB Suite.
I'm surprised you can license an SMB product up in the 1000's of users..
seems unusual.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com <http://Kenzig.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:56 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
Trend SMB
Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
I'll check into it, but a quick internet search shows similar pricing to
what Insight gave me. Exactly what products were covered under $5/user? I
am not educational or government.
Trend also told me there was a 5% price increase as of Sept 1. My prices
were given in August.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com <http://Kenzig.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:22 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
Maybe there is a better break for education pricing but we got trend at $5 a
user and Mcaffee was charging $17 as of last year. Check with CDW (or
CDW-G) if you are governemt. Best to check with a different vendor.
Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
I'm in a competitive upgrade situation, and McAfee is half the cost. For
outright licenses, I'd assume it would be similar. The price levels only
change by $1-2/seat at the 1001+ level. This is pricing from Insight
McAfee ePO+VirusScan (no antispyware or exchange) - 501+ = 6.33/seat
Trend OfficeScan Client/Server Edition (includes control manager basic, no
damage cleanup) - 501+ = $12.24/seat
Infact, for Trend OfficeScan Client/Server/Messaging (same as above, add
Exchange product) it's $23/seat for 501+ and for less then that, $19.28/seat
I can get McAfee ePO+VirusScan+Antispyware+Groupshield.
I guess it's possible McAfee is just undercutting everyone drastically on a
competitive upgrade price.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com <http://Kenzig.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:08 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
Trend is also far less expensive per user.
Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
Trying to find out how people have deployed OfficeScan to a large office
area network. I'm going to buy McAfee or Trend, so far McAfee is in my
favor because of agent based methods I have 80 offices, 1200 users (alwyas
expanding) with Symantec Enterprise A/V. They deploy as follows: 1 master
server for everything, sub servers can be deployed at other sites so clients
can pull updates from those servers, instead of across WAN links to the
master server.
Both Trend and McAfee seem to have similar approaches in setup. 1 master
server with options for deployment poitns, which is basically a location the
masrter server updates, then you set clients to those deployment points to
get their updates. I do not want clients all updating to my master server
for bandwidth issues.
My trend SE recommended I pout an officescan server in every site, instead
of 1 officescan server, with 80 deployment points. Some of the
functionality of OfficeScan server requires MSDE and/orSQL, which I'm not
deloying at every site. So when I got off the call with the SE, my interest
in trend dwindled some.
I've talked to 1 person on the list who has around 1200 users per server
(said trend recommends 1000 max). He does all deployments from that 1 PC,
so it's not exactly how I plan to operate, but it shows me the SE I spoke
with at Trend's recommendation wasn't exactly necessary.
I'm debating towards Trend or McAfee+ePO, and so far McAfee is on top becaue
ePO is agent based which assists greatly in updating.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Foote, Eric
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:54 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
We have over 8,000 users on the whole Trend Suite.
Send me a note off list with any specific questions that you have.
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Evan Mann
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:03 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] OT: Question for Trend A/V users
Do any of the people on the list use Trend OfficeScan on client and/or
server in a wide area deployment across many offices? I'm trying to get
some real world info on large deployments.
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