http://java-virtual-machine.net/download.html here are the links. I have needed this too. For like Nfuse 1.71 on 2003 and a couple of other apps. Sun's doesn't work for them they wrote them for the MS one. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Brian Delaney [mailto:brian.delaney@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:33 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Java Engines ya, goto sun.com microsoft is no longe offereing it's JVM you have to download it from sun's site... Jennifer Hooper wrote: Hi Guys - I have a requirement to install either Microsoft's Java Virtual Machine or Sun JVM 1.4.2. I believe that if I install the Sun version, it will break the CMC. Anyone out there running into anything like this? And is there an easy place I can d/l the MSJVM from? I'm havijng trouble finding it.Thanks! Jennifer Jennifer Hooper Peregrine Systems, Inc. Sr. Network Engineer jennifer.hooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxx