if its an official Win2k with SP4 cd, that's understandable - I know they took it out of XP SP1 (hence SP1a) and I always assumed they did that to Win2k too :) If its one you made from a standard Win2k cd, then that's definitely interesting - MS hosing Java before its even going! ;) By the way, who are you? My mail client claims you're the list itself.. there's no email address supplied, unlike for everyone else! Andrew --o-- >>> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 19/11/03 16:14:24 >>> Can't confirm this but... Seems that if you install Win2k and then roll up to SP3\4 you get the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine. If you just install Win2k with SP4 there is no MS JVM. ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - RTO Software / TScale What's keeping you from getting more from your terminal servers? Did you know, in most cases, CPU Utilization IS NOT the single biggest constraint to scaling up?! Get this free white paper to understand the real constraints & how to overcome them. SAVE MONEY by scaling-up rather than buying more servers. http://www.rtosoft.com/Enter.asp?ID=147 ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm New! Online Thin Computing Magazine Site http://www.OnDemandAccess.com For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm