[THIN] Re: Implementing SAM
- From: "Alexander Danilychev" <teknica@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:40:04 -0800
I agree.
ALEX
>From: "Tony Lyne" <Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [THIN] Re: Implementing SAM
>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:35:37 +1300
>
>Like I said before , it's a great solution if you don't have any inhouse
>Developer experience and you DON'T need lots of hardware to run it. Like
>you Ive done a number of implementations of Nfuse/WI and MSAM products
>so not short of experience here either.
>
>But it is seriously flawed (Flexibility to name one) in some areas and
>do agree with you that there are other packages out there. Ive been
>really impressed with the Novell products on offer lately, especially in
>the portal/workflow management space. Pricing is very good. Now that
>their products can run pretty much on any platform offer a great
>solution for some sites.
>
>One must remember that MSAM is really only a Citrix Metaframe
>complimentary portal solution, any noise that Citrix made about it being
>a great solution for non MF implementations is a joke. But if you are a
>site not wanting to worry about skilling up in developing in the .Net
>and Java and other frameworks then this is a good solution to look at.
>Especially with some of the pricing offers at the moment from Citrix.
>
>Tony.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alexander Danilychev [mailto:teknica@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20
>Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 9:18 a.m.
>To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [THIN] Re: Implementing SAM
>
>Well...
>
>Anytime you use DCOM for your portal solution you add features and can=20
>impact stability/security. .Net Web services is a major improvement,
>however=20
>look at the tons of hardware you will need for SAM as compared to
>PostNuke,=20
>for example.
>
>I got certified on SAM with the first group of Citrix CCIs when it was
>NFuse=20
>Elite, and have taught both (NFuse and SAM) and have done several large=20
>deployments. Trust me, I know what I am talking about ;)
>
>The point is, it is very hard for any software vendor (and Citrix is a
>good=20
>one) to maintain solid portal offering for a reasonable price in a
>crowded=20
>market at the time when development tools leave everyone behind -- new
>Java=20
>and .Net rock! That's probably why Citrix pooled back from pure portal=20
>market to offer MetaFrame related packaging of SAM.
>
>PS. SAM utilizes .Net, can import Windows Forms but is not that perfect.
>
>Former NFuse, on another hand, is Java based, is fairly compact and
>elegant.=20
>And did I say it supports broad range of Internet Browsers at the time
>SAM=20
>is grounded on Win32 IE?
>
>ALEX
>
> >From: "Tony Lyne" <Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [THIN] Re: Implementing SAM
> >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:21:21 +1300
> >
> >That's not entirely true. It depends on what you are trying to achieve
>=3D
> >with your portal solution.
> >
> >MSAM is just as stable as Web Interface and just as easy to setup and =
>=3D
> >maintain.
> >
> >I do how ever concur that there are better solutions out there for less
>=3D
> >money. The most elegant one is from Novell (Novell Portal services) it
>=3D
> >does everything that MSAM does but also includes things like workflow =
>=3D
> >management.=3D20
> >
> >But if youre already a Citrix shop and and am wanting to extend the =3D
> >capabilities with your citrix farm, and have no in house developer =3D
> >skills then MSAM is probably the easiest and less complex solution.
> >
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