HAve an idea, but my ideas concerning sparrows have an awful record, so am asking for help on this one. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Bbtb-lGBf_E/VNaApy8WmdI/AAAAAAAAFgU/wRbrZuNw6Mw/s800/IMG_0577.jpg thanks -- Monte Phillips Texas Cty https://picasaweb.google.com/monte.phillips The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. Mark Twain Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner