[TAML] Re: [TAML-WNT] Waterboard Dick
- From: Dave Haynie <dhaynie@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: teamamiga@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:57:08 -0500
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:51:55 -0600, Kevin Hopkins <kh2@xxxxxxxx> jammed all
night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> At 10:13 AM -0500 10/31/06, Dave Haynie wrote:
> >On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:55:01 -0600, Asha DeVelder <asha@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> >
> >> Tony,
> >>
> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:23:22 +0000, Tony Cooke
> >> <tonyjcooke@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> was caught saying:
> >>
> >> >Asha DeVelder wrote:
> >> >>> That is all just politics. He won the last election by a clear
> >> majority,
> >> >>> so he is naturally not going to do the will of those who voted against
> >> >>> him.
> >
> >That's unfortunate, but it's also cave-man thinking.. and yeah, Bush is
> >certainly a Neanderthal, so that's appropriate. Good Presidents rise
> >above the event of the election, and attempt to be the President of the
> >entire nation. Great ones actually become that.
>
> Yup.
>
> >
> >> >> Even with his vote tampering, he won the last election by a slim
> >> >> margin.
> >
> >That's not even remotely certain. In Ohio alone, there were possibly
> >hundreds of different forms of tampering and attempted tampering. It's
> >impossible to necessarily track the effect of post-vote tampering on the
> >worst of the machines (the DiBolds, for example) even if you can prove
> >there was tampering. Pre-vote tampering is hard to actually even prove
> >in some cases, much less count.
>
> Ghost in the machine. Who knew it would turn out to be a poltergeist.
>
> >
> >> >He didn`t win the last election AT ALL on the basis of the total number
> >> >of votes cast! Only as a result of your peculiar election `system`.
> >
> >> The US's peculiar election system was further "massaged" by what
> >> seriously looks like tampering with the votes as well.
> >
> >At least that's something that COULD be address with the proper
> >technology (either the old stuff: punched cards, or an e-voting machine
> >that wasn't designed by an idiot -- or a person with a specific agenda.
> >I could design a tamper-proof machine in my sleep, but it doesn't start
> >with a PC). What you can't really count in numbers, necessarily, is all
> >of the pre-vote interference. Who's not able to vote because of
> >artificial obstacles? Who doesn't vote, because they've been [mis]led to
> >believe they're not registered?
>
> It all boils down to the intent of those running the system. Those
> with integrity are willing to subsume their own personal preferences
> to serving the expression of the will of the people. Those with an
> agenda serve party and candidate and to hell with the people. My
> kingdom for an honest man.
>
> >
> >> But even with all that, he barely won. What was it 52%? 53%? In
> >> my mind, that's barely scraping by even if all the votes attributed to
> >> him were actually cast by the voters who walked into those booths.
> >
> >> However, he isn't even doing the will of the majority of those
> >> who actually voted for him.
> >
> >That was precisely the problem the Republicans in the 60's and 70's
> >struggled with. Inherently in the classic Republican philosophy, only
> >the Rich are served, and curiously, you can't have a majority of rich
> >people... they're an inherent minority. So the courting of the Religious
> >Right was one of the strategies that arose from the numerous, well
> >funded Republican think-tanks. The idea being, if you can capture a
> >majority of "single-issue" (eg, non-thinking) voters, they'll pretty
> >much take whatever else you have to offer. Of course, you do have to
> >posture to keep that vote: thus, the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, etc.
> >rhetoric (with very little actual results) that come along right before
> >any recent election.
>
> That's it in a nut shell. Pun intended.
>
> >
> >It helps that the Religious Right, as a group, are less educated, and
> >particularly, less media savvy. They don't understand, well enough
> >anyway, that all that rhetoric is simply a marketing campaign. Perhaps
> >it shifted a bit under Mr. Bush, who certainly did have something of an
> >allegiance to the Religious Right, but clearly that came after his
> >loyalties to Big Oil, and in general, The Rich (eg, "my base... the
> >have's and the have more's").
>
> Precisely.
>
> >
> >> The rich are getting richer, while his
> >> voting base are struggling to get by. He isn't even delivering on his
> > > promises to the Religious Right, some of whom are beginning to get
> >> disillusioned with him (it's about time!)
> >Well, thing is, MOST of the Republican fodder for the Religious Right is
> >just so much hot air. It pretty much has to be. I mean, think of all of
> >the promises they've been making since they started that dance. If they
> >actually came through on any of this stuff (at least intentionally),
> >then they'd be looking for something else to promise them. And in the
> >meantime, at least the less nutty in that crowd might start noticing
> >things. Like, just how un-Christian the Republicans, as a whole, are
> >behaving. Or perhaps that other than that lip service, the Republican
> >vote has left them much, much worse off... that this is only good for
> >Rich People (and then, only for the short term).
>
> I think that "start noticing things" is pretty much at the heart of
> David Kuo "Tempting Faith." It was certainly at the heart of the
> lament in Thomas Franks's "What's The Matter With Kansas?"
Of course.. but you can't tell them anything, they have to discover it
on their own. That, of course, is the classic "path to enlightment"
story, but it's got a ring of truth in this case. For one, these are
people who claim to be "People of Faith"... unfortunately, there seems
to be little distinction between "Faith" and "The Ability to Rationalize
or Ignore Just About Anything". And as we see so many of the leaders of
"the Faithful" falling, in scandals of the worst kind, that message is
just driven home.
> --
> Kevin Hopkins <kh2@xxxxxxxx>
>
> The leaders of the backlash may talk Christ, but they walk corporate.
> Values may 'matter most' to voters, but they always take a backseat
> to the needs of money once the elections are won.
> --- Thomas Frank, "What's The Matter With Kansas?" ---
>
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